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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    One of my sons is in NW in his neighborhood in Charlotte.. He think GZ is a raving nutter.

    They don't do "patrols".. or chase people.. They observe and report. SOP.
    Well, GZ may be a raving nutter. He may have a hero complex, but even then that doesn't make what he did illegal but I will grant if he stepped beyond self defense that would be. Following the kid though was not relevant to the charges IMO.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Why do you think that matters?

    Do you think all facts are relvent to all discussions? Did you know Aardvarks are the last species of the order Tubulidentata? That's a fact, and by your logic, it's also relevant.
    Because it speaks to intent.

    As such, it may be demonstrated that aggression may indeed be unlawful.

    We've covered this.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well, GZ may be a raving nutter. He may have a hero complex, but even then that doesn't make what he did illegal but I will grant if he stepped beyond self defense that would be. Following the kid though was not relevant to the charges IMO.
    Actually it does.. It goes to reckless disregard.

    So everything GZ did was legal, yet he failed to meet the standard of what a reasonable man would do "under the circumstances".

    That is the language of various degrees of manslaughter and reckless homicide.

    That is compounded because he was armed and Trayvon wasn't doing anything unlawful.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Actually it does.. It goes to reckless disregard.
    Nope. Reckless disreguard would show that he had no regard for the consequences of his actions, he was trying to comply with the orders of the 911 operator. The charge doesn't fit.

    So everything GZ did was legal, yet he failed to meet the standard of what a reasonable man would do "under the circumstances".

    That is the language of various degrees of manslaughter and reckless homicide.

    That is compounded because he was armed and Trayvon wasn't doing anything unlawful.
    There was a communication lag. Based on what the police have released, no one can make affirmative charges, period.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Doesn't matter. Zimmerman was watching a stranger to the neighborhood....
    no, he was pursuing him.

    watching is passive....following is not.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Because it speaks to intent.

    As such, it may be demonstrated that aggression may indeed be unlawful.

    We've covered this.
    So are you trying to say that in order to be an aggressive act, it must be unlawful?
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, he was pursuing him.

    watching is passive....following is not.
    Pursuing, following, whichever way you want to call it the 911 operator asked him to report......kind of hard to do that when you lose sight of the person.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Nope. Reckless disreguard would show that he had no regard for the consequences of his actions, he was trying to comply with the orders of the 911 operator. The charge doesn't fit.

    There was a communication lag. Based on what the police have released, no one can make affirmative charges, period.
    Zimmerman will have to assert self defense which means he will have to take the stand.. and the prosecution will rip him apart on cross.

    The 911 dispatcher should have been more specific.. Don't follow, just keep your eyes open.

    The problem here is that GZ identified himself as Neighborhood Watch.. which means he had been instructed in NO uncertain terms that they were to observe and report NOT follow.

    The liaison officer who met with GZ's NW group.. said it couldn't be more clear.. They also had a slide presentation.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Zimmerman will have to assert self defense which means he will have to take the stand.. and the prosecution will rip him apart on cross.

    The 911 dispatcher should have been more specific.. Don't follow, just keep your eyes open.

    The problem here is that GZ identified himself as Neighborhood Watch.. which means he had been instructed in NO uncertain terms that they were to observe and report NOT follow.

    The liaison officer who met with GZ's NW group.. said it couldn't be more clear.. They also had a slide presentation.
    You've already made up your mind, don't know that there's anything else to discuss here.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So are you trying to say that in order to be an aggressive act, it must be unlawful?
    Not of necessity. As I've previously mentioned, self defence may easily entail aggression, yet comprise extenuating circumstances. Indeed, self defence may be a legal defence in itself.

    My point is that, aggression alone needn't vitiate nor validate an action in legal terms. Because the act itself is but one half of the equation. The mens rea/intent is what's decisive. Which brings us right back to my original post.

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