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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It doesn't take long to unholster a gun, even under duress if you are somewhat capable. It also doesn't take long to get injured in a ground fight, I've seen people end up in the hospital in less than 5 seconds.
    If YOU were in a fist fight would you try to stop your opponent from pulling a gun or try to wrest it from him?

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    If YOU were in a fist fight would you try to stop your opponent from pulling a gun or try to wrest it from him?
    First off, you don't know how things went down and neither do I, that's why we have courts.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    First off, you don't know how things went down and neither do I, that's why we have courts.
    Yes - people such as that have already assumed innocence or guilt.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - people such as that have already assumed innocence or guilt.
    That's the point, I am not on the jury and will not be. I wasn't at the incident and wasn't charged with determining what happened or what charges to file. As a news consumer and a gun rights advocate it concerns me that both parties seem to have made very poor choices which ended in a tragic death and possibly the survivors life being ruined(probably actually) but all of this is based off of the information at hand which seems to be contradictory dependent on the source. I have zero clue as to who the guilty party is so I try to stay away from the issue.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Following someone.

    LOL all these off topic debates, does any of this change the fact that following someone COULD be aggressive.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Alot of use of the term "Stalking" in this thread.

    "Stalking" has a specific intent...... that intent has to come from the perpetrator of the act........ Just because a person "feels" that they are being stalked, or another completely uninvolved person "feels" that it is stalking does not make it so. The intent to cause fear has to come from the person DOING the "stalking".

    This is why your legal definitions of stalking include "meant to cause fear" not "causes fear".


    When an individual's reason for following another is professed by them, and documented via other means, it does not qualify as stalking.

    Paparazzi very well cause fear in some..... yet it is not their purpose. This is why it is not stalking.
    The police following a subject could very well cause fear, even when that person is doing no wrong (especially when such), yet it is not the purpose. This is why it is not stalking.
    A private citizen following another private citizen after observing what they believe to be suspicious behavior and reporting it to the police, very well could cause fear... yet it is not the purpose. This is why it is not stalking.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Alot of use of the term "Stalking" in this thread.

    "Stalking" has a specific intent...... that intent has to come from the perpetrator of the act........ Just because a person "feels" that they are being stalked, or another completely uninvolved person "feels" that it is stalking does not make it so. The intent to cause fear has to come from the person DOING the "stalking".

    This is why your legal definitions of stalking include "meant to cause fear" not "causes fear".


    When an individual's reason for following another is professed by them, and documented via other means, it does not qualify as stalking.

    Paparazzi very well cause fear in some..... yet it is not their purpose. This is why it is not stalking.
    The police following a subject could very well cause fear, even when that person is doing no wrong (especially when such), yet it is not the purpose. This is why it is not stalking.
    A private citizen following another private citizen after observing what they believe to be suspicious behavior and reporting it to the police, very well could cause fear... yet it is not the purpose. This is why it is not stalking.
    I think part of the problem is that some people are using the term in it's non-legal sense and other are using the term in it's legal sense.

    A lioness stalking her prey doesn't have to worry about a restraining order being filed against her, for example.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think part of the problem is that some people are using the term in it's non-legal sense and other are using the term in it's legal sense.

    A lioness stalking her prey doesn't have to worry about a restraining order being filed against her, for example.
    So, they are using the term that is convenient and suits their purposes....

    Gotcha.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So, they are using the term that is convenient and suits their purposes....

    Gotcha.
    The fact remains that GZ broke all the protocols of the NW and took matters into his own hands.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The fact remains that GZ broke all the protocols of the NW and took matters into his own hands.
    The fact that he was associated in some way with a neighborhood watch has nothing to do with what he is legally allowed to do as a private citizen and member of the community.

    Now, whether or not that was the smartest thing to do, is another topic.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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