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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No. Zimmerman did not say that. His father said that.
    Thanks, Maggie.. I wonder where his father heard it??

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Thanks, Maggie.. I wonder where his father heard it??
    I think he said he'd talked to his son, and his son told him that. But since that fits the classic definition of hearsay, I doubt it's admissible.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Very good... but a minor point.. Didn't Z say that TM decked him when he REACHED for his phone?

    Remember, TM was also on the phone with his GF.

    I would NOT have hit GZ if I thought he was calling the police.. I would have been relieved. I would have hit him if I thought he was reaching for a gun.


    You know, so many things have been said (and mis-said, and assumed, and mis-quoted, and mis-represented) about this case that I can't remember if that's what Zimmerman said or not.

    If that is indeed what happened, it could bolster the claim that Martin was acting in reasonable self-defense... a tense confrontation is a bad time to reach into your pockets! Regardless what you were reaching for.


    Good lord, sometimes I think the twists and turns of this thing, the way that so many opportunities for it to have ended short of someone dead were narrowly missed by the antagonists, is only matched by Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. Martin could have walked straight home instead of meandering around; Zimmerman could have stayed in his truck; Martin could have just took off running and kept running (chubby Zimmerman could never have caught him on foot); either could have defused the final confrontation with a few well-chosen words, probably; Martin could have refrained from attacking Zimmerman, and if Zimmerman had been a better hand-to-hand fighter or had Pepperspray as a less-lethal backup weapon he could have done something short of killing Martin.

    It's a disgusting series of mistakes, bad assumptions, poor choices and hot-headedness, on both sides, that culminated in a needless death.

    Even so, I have trouble seeing it as Murder 2. At absolute most, manslaughter.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You know, so many things have been said (and mis-said, and assumed, and mis-quoted, and mis-represented) about this case that I can't remember if that's what Zimmerman said or not.

    If that is indeed what happened, it could bolster the claim that Martin was acting in reasonable self-defense... a tense confrontation is a bad time to reach into your pockets! Regardless what you were reaching for.


    Good lord, sometimes I think the twists and turns of this thing, the way that so many opportunities for it to have ended short of someone dead were narrowly missed by the antagonists, is only matched by Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.

    Martin could have walked straight home instead of meandering around; Zimmerman could have stayed in his truck; Martin could have just took off running and kept running (chubby Zimmerman could never have caught him on foot); either could have defused the final confrontation with a few well-chosen words, probably; Martin could have refrained from attacking Zimmerman, and if Zimmerman had been a better hand-to-hand fighter or had Pepperspray as a less-lethal backup weapon he could have done something short of killing Martin.

    It's a disgusting series of mistakes, bad assumptions, poor choices and hot-headedness, on both sides, that culminated in a needless death.


    Even so, I have trouble seeing it as Murder 2. At absolute most, manslaughter.
    Amen to that total waste and stupidity ... and I agree about manslaughter.........

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    Re: Following someone.

    Look at the damn votes. Why are liberals always threatened by everything? Frankly I'm getting a little sick of it.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You may think you are being sarcastic, but it really hits home.
    There are cases of people on this forum claiming they are threatened to the point of using deadly force, if someone is say, in their garage.
    There are periodically cases of people, the foreign kid in Louisiana who was looking for the Halloween party, was knocking on a front door asking for directions/party and the wife got "scared" so the husband shot and killed the kid. Entirely legal there, why not in every context? I think all three are absurd personally.


    I don't think the OP mentions legality, Trayvon, or whether it warrants physical violence in retaliation or not. I don't think people on this thread are suggesting being followed means you are justified in physical violence towards the pursuer. Is that your impression?
    If, and only if on Martin's behalf. Then, to the extreme opposite, they claim that even if Martin physically attacked Zimmerman he has no self defense rights. As extreme of pro-violenec and anti-violence contradictions it gets.

    The absurdity that Zimmerman trying to see where Marin went therefore justified Martin physcially attacking him is so far out in absurdity it isn't really a rational topic or real topic.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't think there's anything suspicious about Martin becoming angry and confronting Zimmerman. It wa sdangerous, but it certainly wasn't suspicious.

    He ran from Zimmerman. According to Zimmerman's own account of events from the 911 call we know that Martin ran. He clearly felt threatened as evidenced by his fight or flight response. When he found that Zimmerman was still following him, he realized his previously attempted flight response had failed. Instinct takes over in such situations. When flight fails, fight is all that remains.

    Was it dangerous? Absolutely. When one has a fight or flight reaction it usually is dangerous.

    But it's also a very reasonable biologically induced reaction on Martin's part. There's nothing at all suspicious about it.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    No context. No vote.
    I put in my own context and that was that I've been followed.
    It's scary and it certainly felt aggressive to me (being on the receiving end of it).


    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Look at the damn votes. Why are liberals always threatened by everything? Frankly I'm getting a little sick of it.
    American...lets say you get a phone call from your 17 year old daughter. She says "daddy, there is a man following me. Ive tried crossing the street, Ive went inside a market and waited, I ran and I stopped. I yelled at him to stop but he is still following me. Im 2 blocks from home on Miller"

    What do you do? How do you feel? How do you respond?

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    American...lets say you get a phone call from your 17 year old daughter. She says "daddy, there is a man following me. Ive tried crossing the street, Ive went inside a market and waited, I ran and I stopped. I yelled at him to stop but he is still following me. Im 2 blocks from home on Miller"

    What do you do? How do you feel? How do you respond?
    Martin wasn't a 17 year old teenage girl. He was a 6' 3" 160 pound football player male andjuvenile deliquent punk. I think on his 3rd explusion from school for the reasons he was makes that description accurate.

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