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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Is following someone an aggressive act?

    Simple question, simple answer.

    I don't believe that it is. If it was then police would not be able to legally follow people. Investigators (PI's) would not legally be able to do it. Paparazzi would not be able to do it.

    As private citizen, it would be a socially aggressive act. The only reason to follow someone, secretively, is to discover what they are doing without their knowledge or permission. Totally creepy thing to do.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    From the 911 call, do you think it was suspicious and dangerous for Martin to turn and come angrily towards Zimmerman with Martin putting his hand in his pocket as he did - until he saw and maybe heard Zimmerman on the phone to the police department?
    I don't think there's anything suspicious about Martin becoming angry and confronting Zimmerman. It wa sdangerous, but it certainly wasn't suspicious.

    He ran from Zimmerman. According to Zimmerman's own account of events from the 911 call we know that Martin ran. He clearly felt threatened as evidenced by his fight or flight response. When he found that Zimmerman was still following him, he realized his previously attempted flight response had failed. Instinct takes over in such situations. When flight fails, fight is all that remains.

    Was it dangerous? Absolutely. When one has a fight or flight reaction it usually is dangerous.

    But it's also a very reasonable biologically induced reaction on Martin's part. There's nothing at all suspicious about it.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Like what? What sort of raving nutter follows people for no reason?
    If a kid had thrown a rock at my car, I might try to follow him home. If I saw someone hit-and-run, I might follow him until I could "see" the driver and get the license number of the car. If someone accosted the kids who wait in my drive-way for the school bus? I might follow him (on foot or by car) until the police arrived. I can think of dozens of reasons that don't involve raving nutters.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If they turned around and confronted you about following them, would you not think that this was a perfectly reasonable behavior on their part?
    Of course. I would if they noticed me expect it. If it was someone I was following due to being suspicious though, I would most likely disengage if possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If they turned around and confronted you about following them, would you not think that this was a perfectly reasonable behavior on their part?
    Yep. Have not said otherwise... I hope, lol.

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    NOt really. If a stranger is following you, it would be very stupid to not take precautions.
    Difference between taking precautions and freaking out.

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    As I asked above, would you think it's unreasonable for someone you are following to confront you about it?
    Of course not.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Yes, that is what the Trayvon Martin case should establish as law. If anyone is following you - or even just trying to watch here you are going - you have an absolute right to go beat that person to death. I think even if just someone looks at you in an intimidating way you should be able to beat that person to death. I mean no one should have to take any intimidation.

    Afterall, the crap about there is no such thing as verbal provocation justifying violence or reasonableness really needs to go. Tough guys like me really should rule the world anyway. In fact, STG really should be changed to AWI - Attack When Intimidated. The Trayvon Martin way.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Is following someone an aggressive act?

    Simple question, simple answer.

    I don't believe that it is. If it was then police would not be able to legally follow people. Investigators (PI's) would not legally be able to do it. Paparazzi would not be able to do it.
    Following someone is not an act of aggression. If you suspect someone is following you then you ask the individual if they are following you and why,because it could be just nothing more than a coincidence. I know from driving it sometimes appears as though I am following someone else in a car for several blocks or someone else is following me for several blocks in car.The same thing when walking. It may appear I am following someone on foot or that someone is following me on foot when walking. All it means is that we we are currently traveling in the same direction. Now if the person following you has made verbal threats to do bodily harm to you, then you can interpret that as an act of aggression.
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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I think whats going on here is a disconnect how women react to the feeling of being followed and how men react to it.....Everyone with half a brain knows women are mostly the victims and they have every right to be more sensitive about any feeling of being followed....they had better be
    Long ago I had a guy follow me onto a train in the Barcelona train station and I was looking the wrong way.. trying to avoid a guy in cowboy boots who had been following me for 30 minutes.

    I found my self incapacitated in a straight skirt and high heels.. Guess who pulled the Spaniard off of me and threw him bodily off the train?

    The Texan in the boots.

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What is the average person? This is a country of 300,000,000 people, so what is average? A large proportion has had some kind of self defense training or military experience. So what is average?
    I'm asking you.
    You appear very resistant to adressing this question (the OP) in the abstract, not sure why that is.

    If they are put "at risk" yes. Simply following someone does not put anyone at risk automatically.
    That's precisely the point though, we are talking about their perception of their own risk/safety. They cannot know, by virtue of being non-omniscient, if they are REALLY at risk or not. That's a philosophical question, it has nothing to do with how we operate in the real world.

    I think you are sort of agreeing that being followed is suspicious, a "potential risk", and otherwise should put someone "on guard" so to speak. But that it's not a sufficient threat to warrant physical retalation. I think in general, I'd agree to that...is that your view?

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think they both made some bad miscalculations. Zimmerman should've listened to dispatch and not gotten out of his vehicle. Martin should have restrained himself from being overly aggressive in confronting Zimmerman about following him. If either man had exercised a little measure of prudence, this may not have happened at all.

    Zimmerman's following of Martin was not prudent and could be construed as suspicious by Martin. However, the key to unraveling the incident, IMO, is the final seconds leading up to the physical fight, and who initiated it. I'd have to have more evidence that Zimmerman was the initiator or escalator of the physical fight before I could convict him of anything other than being imprudent, which is not a crime.

    As it is, without an eyewitness other than Zimmerman, available evidence (Z's testimony, Z's injuries, eyewitness seeing Treyvon on top of Zimmerman beating him) I could not convict Z of anything because of a lack of evidence of criminal wrongdoing. If following someone is a criminal act, then a lot of charity workers, religious tract-givers, brochure passer-outers, raffle-ticket and insurance salesmen, not to mention persons of amorous intent, are guilty too.


    As I said, when I detect someone following me I evade if I can, or confront if I can't. When I confront, I put my back to something safe and loudly inquire why they are following me while they are still a safe distance away. I don't run up on them and attack them without knowing what is going on.

    I personally consider the Zimmerman/Martin case to be a comedy-of-errors with a tragic ending, where both men acted poorly and contributed to the situation.... but from what info I have I don't think there is evidence to convict Z of murder-2nd.
    Goshen I believe that zimmerman will be construed as the aggressor for not backing off when dispatch told him to and waiting for the police.
    I have no clue what transpired after he was told to back off and wait and neither does anyone else at this point....but I believe the jury will consider that aggressive...i agree with your post

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    Re: Following someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Like what? What sort of raving nutter follows people for no reason?


    I've had people follow me for the following reasons:

    To hand me back my wallet I'd forgotten.
    To give me a religious tract.
    To give me a brochure, sales paper, or similar.
    To get me to sign their petition.
    To try to sell me something.
    To ask me for a handout.
    Because they thought I was someone else.
    Because they thought I was cute and wanted to catch up with me and talk to me. (women, mostly... but a couple gay guys too. )
    Misunderstanding like the anecdote I told a page ago.
    and yes... at least a couple of times people were following me with criminal intent.



    When I turn to confront a follower, I keep the potential threat in mind but don't assume they must have ill intent.... you never know.

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