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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    as I said before SB im unsure Gore could of handled 9/11 in the manner it needed to be handled.
    Alright Higgs, how exactly do you think Bush handled 9/11 well, and in what sense do you think anyone else in the same position would not have handled it likewise?

    Personally, I think 9/11 resulted in perhaps one of the most disastrous decades foreign-policy-wise in the history of our country.

    The only positive I can really say about Bush and 9/11 is that he appropriately dedicated more resources to the intelligence community and national security structure, however I think now there was such an overreaction that the bureaucracy is now completely bloated.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Alright Higgs, how exactly do you think Bush handled 9/11 well, and in what sense do you think anyone else in the same position would not have handled it likewise?

    Personally, I think 9/11 resulted in perhaps one of the most disastrous decades foreign-policy-wise in the history of our country.
    in terms on the initial response I think Bush did well, he was calm, he kept the USA united, reached out to other countries and struck Afghan ( and didnt rush into it as some wanted him to). Of course Iraq has its critics but I dont see that connected to 9/11.

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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    in terms on the initial response I think Bush did well, he was calm, he kept the USA united, reached out to other countries and struck Afghan ( and didnt rush into it as some wanted him to).
    Personally, I think most individuals placed into a similar situation would do exactly the same.

    Of course Iraq has its critics but I dont see that connected to 9/11.
    It wasn't, but at the time one of the arguments for going to war was that Iraq was linked to AQ. I think the possibility exists that if 9/11 had not happened, Iraqi Freedom would perhaps not have happened.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Gore and Kerry continue to prove that Bush was the better choice.
    Can I have some of what you're smoking?
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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Personally, I think most individuals placed into a similar situation would do exactly the same.



    It wasn't, but at the time one of the arguments for going to war was that Iraq was linked to AQ. I think the possibility exists that if 9/11 had not happened, Iraqi Freedom would perhaps not have happened.

    Of course we can only speculate about Iraq but I think by the end of the 90's it was clear that eventually we would invade Iraq. As for most individuals placed into a similar situation doing the same as Bush, yes its possible but Bush was the president and he handled it in that manner and he deserves credit all we can do is guess on how Gore or anyone else would of handled it. I guess thats the beauty of history, we can speculate but at the end of the day its set in stone.

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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well he would have sent the EPA after OBL due to all the pollutants emitted when the WTC collapsed and burned
    Bush started a war in another country and forgot about OBL all together.
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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Can I have some of what you're smoking?
    You are a far lefty You obviously wanted a somewhat lefty like Kerry or Gore (who became a lefty only when he was trying for the white house)

    bush was the better choice for someone like me who tires of being told I need to pay more and more taxes to fund the crap you want. SO tell me, why would Gore or Kerry have been the better choice for me?

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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Bush started a war in another country and forgot about OBL all together.

    that is the propaganda the leftwing spews. How many people do you know were high placed members of the administration that can confirm or deny that claim of yours?

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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Well, I may have considered actually voting for the President given another opportunity.
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    Re: If you could go back in time to 2004 would you still vote for Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is the propaganda the leftwing spews. How many people do you know were high placed members of the administration that can confirm or deny that claim of yours?
    If we're going to be more accurate I think Katie meant to say that Iraq was a costly and unnecessary distraction from the war in Afghanistan. I don't really think that part is debatable.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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