View Poll Results: How should drunks be charged?

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Thread: Drunk Drivers

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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don’t think so. In fact, while there is a lot of push on drunk driving you know there’s not a whole lot of actual movement in areas which could prevent it. There’s a large double standard on some level, and I’d venture a guess it’s because DUI is big business for the State. Fact of the matter is in the way we district businesses and such now, there are not many places left with a corner bar on every corner. Things are distances away, you have to travel to get out there. But public transport is not very good in A LOT of places. So you drive, and one can say that “well you shouldn’t drink and drive so you shouldn’t drink at all”, but it’s going to happen and everyone knows it. It’s like telling kids abstinence is the best method of birth control. Technically true, functionally unrealizable.

    If we were really worried about DUI, we would be putting effort into better public transport across the nation. Better access to alternative ways home, hotels, etc. We’re not looking into that. Fort Collins, CO for example has very few taxi services. And at night when the bars close it becomes neigh impossible to get a taxi. The reason is that the city restricts heavily the companies allowed to operate taxi companies in the city. If there was a goal to decrease DUI, you don’t do that. Furthermore, cops will sit outside of bars and look for drunks getting into cars. Wait till they’re getting into their cars and then go arrest them for DUI. If the idea was prevention, you have cops intervening BEFORE they get into the car. But the idea isn’t to stop DUI from happening, it’s to wait till it does happen and then pounce. Because we’ve emotionalized this issue to such a degree to allow for unreasonable punishment, including excessive fines, there’s a lot of money. They WANT the DUI to happen because that’s money in the city coffers.

    DUI is one of those crimes that you can rile people up easily and get them to throw away reason. There is no real effort to minimize DUI instances. The effort instead is maximizing DUI punishment. There’s a difference.
    Where I live there are big signs in every bar,

    WE WILL CALL FOR A CAB AND PAY FOR YOUR RIDE HOME, JUST ASK

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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If we were really worried about DUI, we would be putting effort into better public transport across the nation. Better access to alternative ways home, hotels, etc. We’re not looking into that. Fort Collins, CO for example has very few taxi services. And at night when the bars close it becomes neigh impossible to get a taxi. The reason is that the city restricts heavily the companies allowed to operate taxi companies in the city. If there was a goal to decrease DUI, you don’t do that. Furthermore, cops will sit outside of bars and look for drunks getting into cars. Wait till they’re getting into their cars and then go arrest them for DUI. If the idea was prevention, you have cops intervening BEFORE they get into the car. But the idea isn’t to stop DUI from happening, it’s to wait till it does happen and then pounce. Because we’ve emotionalized this issue to such a degree to allow for unreasonable punishment, including excessive fines, there’s a lot of money. They WANT the DUI to happen because that’s money in the city coffers.
    Agreed. The best way to prevent drunk driving is to make it so drunks don't have to drive. Better public transportation is a great solution to the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Where I live there are big signs in every bar,

    WE WILL CALL FOR A CAB AND PAY FOR YOUR RIDE HOME, JUST ASK
    Does anyone use that, though? I wouldn't want to leave my car somewhere overnight, and then have to find a way to get back to it the next day. You not only need to get people not to drive home, you need to get them not to drive to the bar, party, or wherever in the first place. The transit needs to go both ways.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    First degree or second degree do not apply in cases of drunk driving. It is not premeditated in the case of first degree murder and there is no willful intent in second degree murder. This is why we have manslaughter, as it is an accident no matter how negligent on the part of the drunk driver. With no intent the other two just do not apply.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    Your other question could be answered if you took the time to read my posts.
    I was giving you a chance to redact your nonchalant "slap him on the wrist and tell him he's been bad" view toward negligent homicide.

    You still sticking by your guns on this?

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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    The best way they could be charged, is with about 2000 volts.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    mmm- going to a bar/ party whatever, and getting smashed without regard for the safety of others equals premeditation in my view. Not that it matters. Plenty of people agree with you. If it happens to my family, I'll have to take justice into my own hands, I suppose. I'll be damned if I let some drunk pos kill my family and get a slap on the wrist.
    Then your view would be incorrect. Both legally and factually.

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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I have no problem with your a assertion. You may in fact be one of the few that have never done it.
    I am just not surprised because I expect extremists to take that position. I will also not be surprised if, let's say, Tigger or maybe NP had the same stance.
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    I was wrong to call him an extremist as I actually don't feel that he is one.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Where I live there are big signs in every bar,

    WE WILL CALL FOR A CAB AND PAY FOR YOUR RIDE HOME, JUST ASK
    Well you're in one of the better areas. This is not as common as you would think it should be.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I was giving you a chance to redact your nonchalant "slap him on the wrist and tell him he's been bad" view toward negligent homicide.

    You still sticking by your guns on this?
    Yeah, manslaughter is really a slap on the wrist
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Where I live there are big signs in every bar,

    WE WILL CALL FOR A CAB AND PAY FOR YOUR RIDE HOME, JUST ASK
    My brother owned a bar. He had the same sign. I asked him one time how often he gets taken up on the offer. He said that he has one guy that uses it all the time, completely abusing the situation. Other than him, it has only been used one other time.
    Then he admitted to me, that he put the sign up at the suggestion of our uncle, who is a lawyer. It was there more for the protection of the business in case someone got a DUI fatality injury etc. After leaving the bar.
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