View Poll Results: How should drunks be charged?

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Thread: Drunk Drivers

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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    The level of hypocrisy on this thread is astounding.

    The overgeneralization of "drunk driver" is very misleading. I don't gamble often, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the people that are wailing so hard against drunk drivers have in, fact, done it themselves. I'm not talking about's not swinging, commode hugging, knee crawling drunk... I am talking about two glasses of wine at dinner and have a slight buzz but actually over the legal limit in most states.

    Lumping all drivers who have been arrested for driving under the influence under one giant umbrella is the same to me as lumping all sex offenders under the child molester, rapist umbrella.

    A politician that wants to appear to be "tough on crime" can always fall back onto the generalization of tougher penalties for drunk drivers or sex offenders. No one will oppose him, because then it will appear that they are encouraging abhorrent behavior.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I do not drink or take drugs nor am I fun at parties.
    No surprise that you were the first to deny... Let me show you my shocked face.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    No surprise that you were the first to deny... Let me show you my shocked face.
    What is your problem with my assertion Chief?

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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    What is your problem with my assertion Chief?
    I have no problem with your a assertion. You may in fact be one of the few that have never done it.
    I am just not surprised because I expect extremists to take that position. I will also not be surprised if, let's say, Tigger or maybe NP had the same stance.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But these are accidents, and these particular cases are not the norm. In that, punishments are generally very severe and held. Now I donít know about his prior DUIs. I in general do not support jail time for DUI alone. 3 years in prison is a long time; but this isnít murder either. There was no intent to kill, it was an accident.
    See i feel three years is not long enough Ikari. This guy had 2 priors and he chose to drink and drive again. It was no accident, it was only a matter of time. I'm going to bow out if you don't mind, i am too emotionally involved in the topic to offer a fair debate with you.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Based on your opinion or do have some factual basis to espouse this position?
    MADD is the epitome of this tactic.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    See i feel three years is not long enough Ikari. This guy had 2 priors and he chose to drink and drive again. It was no accident, it was only a matter of time. I'm going to bow out if you don't mind, i am too emotionally involved in the topic to offer a fair debate with you.
    It was an accident. Even if people have problems and can't control their drinking or whatever, less they are going out with the mindset to kill, it's accidental. Not a lot of drunk drivers are getting drunk so they can kill. Maybe 3 years is "too little", but I fear a lot of people are trying to attach first and second degree murder times to punishment; and it just doesn't fit the mechanics of the crime. I do not think that we should increase punishments just because we can emotionalize a topic so much as to throw out reason and logic. Crimes must be weighed by their functional effects and similar crime is punished similarly. Under most circumstances I would say DUI resulting in death is likely manslaughter.
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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    MADD is the epitome of this tactic.
    The reference I cited spoke of laws enacted in 1913. MADD was not around then.

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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I have no problem with your a assertion. You may in fact be one of the few that have never done it.
    I am just not surprised because I expect extremists to take that position. I will also not be surprised if, let's say, Tigger or maybe NP had the same stance.

    LOL now I am an extremeist... Anything else you want to tell me about myself as you rub your crystal balls.

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    Re: Drunk Drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The reference I cited spoke of laws enacted in 1913. MADD was not around then.
    Your reference was the initiation of Drunk Driving Laws. You'll have to show me where I said that we shouldn't have drunk driving laws.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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