Stay at home dads.

earthworm · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Whereas I feel that Freedom and Liberty are Privileges that should be handed out to those who have PROVEN they can speak, think, and act appropriately; nothing more. The US Constitution ceased to have any significant value when Abraham Lincoln took it to the outhouse and used it to wipe his butt from 1860-1865. It hasn't had any significant value since then.

Trust me, I keep looking for somewhere else to go.

Whereas I refuse to support ANY movement (poitical or otherwise) that suggest that what one WANTS to do is more important than what one SHOULD do.

You can go to the wilds of Alaska, Tigger.
NPR did an excellent documentary on a man who did exactly this..He was highly intelligent and was able to survive nearly all by himself.
Then , for those a little less brave/foolish, there is Idaho, the home of some right wing extremists.
The second sentence, the word "appropriately"
Please define..
Particularly...for whom.....

rocket88 · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Actually, No. The only two decent things Lincoln did during his time in office were the Emancipation Proclaimation and accepting that invitation to the Ford Theater that night. My issues with Lincoln have to do with carrying out an aggressive war against a sovereign nation without cause or justification. In doing so, by the way that war was conducted, and through the precedents set by his actions Lincoln destroyed everything that I believe this nation was designed to be from the start.

Considering your stated opinion that you'd prefer a facist dictatorship to democracy, excuse me if I don't care what you think about what "this nation was designed to be from the start."

lpast · Apr 18, 2012

Tucker Case said:
What tools (be specific) make it a woman's job to stay home with the kids, and what tools (be specific) make it a man's job not to?

Also, why not get a nailgun? It's far more efficient.

There are no tools, but I will say this with personal conviction....when I was a kid and when most kids got home from school their mothers were there and NOTHING can compare to seeing mom when you open the door.....
I disagree with you on another point Tucker...you claim men and women are equal...I disagree...they are equal in some aspects and not equal in others and men or woman can be better at different aspects of child rearing.
Im sure you realize the difference in which children view mom and dad...and theres times when nothing can replace mom rubbing your forhead and others just being with dad and feeling safe.

radcen · Apr 18, 2012

Aunt Spiker said:
Adults make things confusing - kids are good with anything.

Kids are resilient, yes. Kids are also impressionable.

Aunt Spiker said:
Moms are not the nurterers - Dads are not the providers on some natural instinct level. This is our social construct. Which actually doesn't exist these days to MOST people.

Disagree. In an overall general sense, there are exceptions. The notion that it doesn't matter is our current social construct.

A father can indeed be a nurturer, and a damn good one, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And visa-versa regarding mothers being the providers. But, it is the exception to nature's rule, not the norm. Every species has defined roles for nurturing and providing, and the human species is no different, except in the ability to think and adapt their surroundings if necessary. To pretend otherwise is tantamount to hiding one's head in the sand.

Aunt Spiker said:
A lot of kids - a vast populous of children in this country - grow up without a mom or dad, or with their parents divorced and remarried so they have a mom / mom and dad . . .the notion of this idyllic nuclear family doesn't exist at all in the minds of millions of children.

Yes they do, and not it doesn't... and we as a society lose something because of it.

Aunt Spiker said:
Are they confused and unable to function or something?

There is ample evidence that they just might be confused and have trouble functioning.

Lethargic Aptitude · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Actually, No. The only two decent things Lincoln did during his time in office were the Emancipation Proclaimation and accepting that invitation to the Ford Theater that night. My issues with Lincoln have to do with carrying out an aggressive war against a sovereign nation without cause or justification. In doing so, by the way that war was conducted, and through the precedents set by his actions Lincoln destroyed everything that I believe this nation was designed to be from the start.

Did you miss this part? Yes in a dictatorship one needs to prove themselves to gain what the Constitution deems inalienable rights. Natural rights are not privileges to be earned but rights that every American is born with. Since you do not understand the basic concept of inalienable rights I bet you have an interesting reason why you believe that the Constitution has been in your opinion insignificant since Lincoln.
The question that you answered was rhetorical. What you did ignore was me implicating that you want an dictatorship instead of liberty and freedom.

Tigger said:
Trust me, I'd love to be gone from this wretched hive of scum and villiany.

It is good of to recognize that you do not belong in America. There are plenty of dictatorships in the world to chose from.

Tigger said:
On that we will have to disagree, completely.

The problem for you though is that history, the Constitution, and common knowledge back my claim up that liberty and freedom are natural rights and not privileges. So continue with your delusional outlook of this country is you wish. The rest of will just laugh at you and shack our heads at your irrelevance.

Lethargic Aptitude · Apr 18, 2012

lpast said:
There are no tools, but I will say this with personal conviction....when I was a kid and when most kids got home from school their mothers were there and NOTHING can compare to seeing mom when you open the door.....
I disagree with you on another point Tucker...you claim men and women are equal...I disagree...they are equal in some aspects and not equal in others and men or woman can be better at different aspects of child rearing.
Im sure you realize the difference in which children view mom and dad...and theres times when nothing can replace mom rubbing your forhead and others just being with dad and feeling safe.

Your personal experience with a home life and what you think it should be is not what everyone else perceives. After all we are all unique individuals with our own experiences. Stereotypical cookie cutter families have always been rare. In reality Ozzy and Harriet was an oddity of fictional wishful thinking. In reality at that time there was a completely different reality in the real world. Just as there always has been. Between single parents and wars (and countess other factors) the traditional family never really was mainstream.

Tigger · Apr 18, 2012

earthworm said:
The second sentence, the word "appropriately" Please define.. Particularly...for whom.....

Appropriately is defined by the accepted morals and values of the society, which in my mind are the same ones that were largely in existance in this nation until the beginning decades of the 20th century.

rocket88 said:
Considering your stated opinion that you'd prefer a facist dictatorship to democracy, excuse me if I don't care what you think about what "this nation was designed to be from the start."

Considering that my relatives were among those sheding their own (and others) blood to build this nation, I'll be much more concerned with my viewpoint on it than yours.

FreedomFromAll said:
The question that you answered was rhetorical. What you did ignore was me implicating that you want an dictatorship instead of liberty and freedom.

If that's what's necessary to ensure a proper society and culture then so be it. It's not my preference, but considering the inability of the average American to live anything even remotely close to a decent life these days maybe it's what we need.

FreedomFromAll said:
It is good of to recognize that you do not belong in America. There are plenty of dictatorships in the world to chose from.

Ah, but just like "democracies", they all have subtle differences that need to be looked into when making such a decision.

FreedomFromAll said:
The problem for you though is that history, the Constitution, and common knowledge back my claim up that liberty and freedom are natural rights and not privileges. So continue with your delusional outlook of this country is you wish. The rest of will just laugh at you and shack our heads at your irrelevance.

Go ahead and laugh. I stopped concerning myself with what anyone thought of me or my views about the time I was in first grade, so that really means nothing to me. Besides, a man with the means and willingness to act is never irrelevant in the long run.

Tucker Case · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Tucker, if I really have to explain to you the physical and psychological characteristics of women that make them superior at raising children, then there's probably really no point in us continuing this conversation. I might suggest a basic biology textbook or something along those lines.

Ah, so you don't have the capacity to actually give any specific examples.

Does is ever actually bother you that you don't even have the minimal competencies necessary to back up your bull**** claims?

In the case of every couple I know that has children, the mother is the one who will hear/see things going on that the father is totally oblivious to. Even in the few cases where dad is the stay-home parent.

So? I mean, I get it, you believe that being a light sleeper is, somehow, a requirement for being a stay at home parent. The question is why the hell would you think something so profoundly stupid?

I mean, even if the mother was out working while the father stayed at home with the kids, she'd still be a light sleeper at night when both parents are at home.

And what if the mother has a hearing impairment? Does that mean she can't stay home with the kids? In that case, the father would be the superior one at knowing when the kids were making noise.

Not only that, but if a light sleeping mother wakes up and beats the **** out of the kids, while the deep sleeping father actually took care of their problems when they eventually woke up, it's not like the mother is actually being more nurturing.

But she did wake up. I mean, that definitely makes her more fit to take care of the kids during the day, right? By your standards, at least.

Tucker Case · Apr 18, 2012

lpast said:
There are no tools, but I will say this with personal conviction....when I was a kid and when most kids got home from school their mothers were there and NOTHING can compare to seeing mom when you open the door.....
I disagree with you on another point Tucker...you claim men and women are equal...I disagree...they are equal in some aspects and not equal in others and men or woman can be better at different aspects of child rearing.
Im sure you realize the difference in which children view mom and dad...and theres times when nothing can replace mom rubbing your forhead and others just being with dad and feeling safe.

I would say that all of the differences are actually a product of people living up to cultural expectations rather than intrinsic differences between the genders.

I've seen the reverse of cultural norms work very well in healthy, functional families and I've seen the "norms" in highly dysfunctional families. In fact, families that tend to have the stereotypical norms also tend to have very high rates of dysfunction due to overly rigid boundaries and a lack of flexibility in the family system.

Tigger · Apr 18, 2012

Tucker Case said:
Ah, so you don't have the capacity to actually give any specific examples.

Does is ever actually bother you that you don't even have the minimal competencies necessary to back up your bull**** claims?

Woul you like me to prove that 2+2=4, that Gravity exists, and that the Earth rotates around the Sun instead of the other way around, while I'm at it TC?

I do not see any need to back up anything. I'm not here to prove anything to you or to change your mind. You can feel free to do whatever you like with my viewpoints on things. That's your concern, not mine. What I am definitely not going to do is waste my time explaining very basic, simple concepts that anyone with a minimal amount of observational powers can see and comprehend for themselves to you, TC.

radcen · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Appropriately is defined by the accepted morals and values of the society, which in my mind are the same ones that were largely in existance in this nation until the beginning decades of the 20th century.

Have you ever considered moving to an Amish community?

Tucker Case · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Woul you like me to prove that 2+2=4, that Gravity exists, and that the Earth rotates around the Sun instead of the other way around, while I'm at it TC?

Of course not. I want you to provide specific examples of these gender-based tools you claim exist. Only an idiot would think that was a question about arithmetic or astrophysics.

You made a claim that something exists so slap on a pair of balls and support that claim. You see what I did there?

I do not see any need to back up anything. I'm not here to prove anything to you or to change your mind. You can feel free to do whatever you like with my viewpoints on things. That's your concern, not mine. What I am definitely not going to do is waste my time explaining very basic, simple concepts that anyone with a minimal amount of observational powers can see and comprehend for themselves to you, TC.

I figured you'd be too scared to actually man up and support your claim. It's your M.O.

Running away and hiding from a challenge is such a manly trait, isn't it?

rocket88 · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Considering that my relatives were among those sheding their own (and others) blood to build this nation, I'll be much more concerned with my viewpoint on it than yours.

So you basically have no respect for what they fought for. Nice.

Tucker Case · Apr 18, 2012

rocket88 said:
So you basically have no respect for what they fought for. Nice.

What's worse is that he's taking credit for their actions as though he did something other than simply not dribbling down his mama's thigh one night after daddy got randy.

Surtr · Apr 18, 2012

Kal'Stang said:
What do you think? Is it acceptable for the man to stay at home raising the kids while the woman works? Or is the man just a lazy bum (a phrase that I hear often when refering to stay at home dads) that should get off his butt and get a job?

Depends entirely on the circumstances of the relationship. That's between husband and wife, and no one else. I don't personally agree with it, but I'm also an unmarriable man-whore, so to each their own.

Aunt Spiker · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
It's not about equal or unequal. It's about using the right tool for the job. If I need to put a nail into a piece of wood and I have two choices on which tool to use, a hammer and a wrench; which one should I pick? The hammer obviously. Now, I bet that with enough time and motivation, I could use that wrench like a hammer, but it was not made for that task and it will not do the job anywhere near as efficiently as the hammer will.

radcen said:
Kids are resilient, yes. Kids are also impressionable.

Disagree. In an overall general sense, there are exceptions. The notion that it doesn't matter is our current social construct.

A father can indeed be a nurturer, and a damn good one, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And visa-versa regarding mothers being the providers. But, it is the exception to nature's rule, not the norm. Every species has defined roles for nurturing and providing, and the human species is no different, except in the ability to think and adapt their surroundings if necessary. To pretend otherwise is tantamount to hiding one's head in the sand.

Yes they do, and not it doesn't... and we as a society lose something because of it.

There is ample evidence that they just might be confused and have trouble functioning.

Both of you - and others with your same views:

That's stupid. . . your thinking is what led to an elderly woman crying at the DMV the other week out of confusion and frustration because her husband did 'all that manly car stuff' and when he was sick and in the hospital in his later years she suddenly had to figure out something she knew nothing about.

Your way of thinking keeps men and women in the blind, ignorant and incapable dark - and when the yneed to fulfill a purpose at some point (as we all will have to do) - then they won't know *what* to do.

My husband spends SO much of his time dedicated to the military for a career that I've had to fill in *all* the other holes - parent, mechanic, home maintenance - everything - AND I even help him out with certain things regarding *his* employment such as writing reports (because he can't type) and filing paperwork (because he's so busy he doesn't have tme for everything that even he has to do)

The notion that there are some jobs that only women can/should do and that some jobs only men can/should do just creates a life in which things will just go undone if they sat around waiting for the right gender to have the time.

I've remodeled my entire house, taken care of the kids, I'm getting through college, I've even built a damn fence (For which I used a power drill - not a hammer - to assemble because I know the right and wrong way to do something), my husband's car gets it's juice, mine gets it's routine maintenance and the lawn still gets mowed and the blades are still changed out when needed - and dinner's still on the table.

And when I have my upcoming surgery my husband will do *all of that stuff* as best as he can without any of my help.

This pathetic notion that everyone has what they "should" do doesn't coincide with reality in which stuff MUST get done - regardless of WHO is there to do it. :roll:

radcen · Apr 18, 2012

Aunt Spiker said:
Both of you - and others with your same views:

That's stupid. . . your thinking is what led to an elderly woman crying at the DMV the other week out of confusion and frustration because her husband did 'all that manly car stuff' and when he was sick and in the hospital in his later years she suddenly had to figure out something she knew nothing about.

Your way of thinking keeps men and women in the blind, ignorant and incapable dark - and when the yneed to fulfill a purpose at some point (as we all will have to do) - then they won't know *what* to do.

My husband spends SO much of his time dedicated to the military for a career that I've had to fill in *all* the other holes - parent, mechanic, home maintenance - everything - AND I even help him out with certain things regarding *his* employment such as writing reports (because he can't type) and filing paperwork (because he's so busy he doesn't have tme for everything that even he has to do)

The notion that there are some jobs that only women can/should do and that some jobs only men can/should do just creates a life in which things will just go undone if they sat around waiting for the right gender to have the time.

I've remodeled my entire house, taken care of the kids, I'm getting through college, I've even built a damn fence (For which I used a power drill - not a hammer - to assemble because I know the right and wrong way to do something), my husband's car gets it's juice, mine gets it's routine maintenance and the lawn still gets mowed and the blades are still changed out when needed - and dinner's still on the table.

And when I have my upcoming surgery my husband will do *all of that stuff* as best as he can without any of my help.

This pathetic notion that everyone has what they "should" do doesn't coincide with reality in which stuff MUST get done - regardless of WHO is there to do it. :roll:

No, it's not stupid. It's nature. A general rule, but not an absolute rule. Your individual experiences won't automatically apply and does not negate the general rule.

Aunt Spiker · Apr 18, 2012

radcen said:
No, it's not stupid. It's nature. A general rule, but not an absolute rule. Your individual experiences won't automatically apply and does not negate the general rule.

It is a general rule - as is obvious by the fact that not everyone (culture-wise: throughout history) has done such.

The idea of being a "Stay at Home Mom" is pure luxury and is most often found in stratified societies. . . Smaller scale societies that are ranked or egalitarian don't have a "stay at home parent" - they have divisions of labor but no one just 'stays at home' with the kids - if anything - their division of labor is done so in a way that incorporates children into their daily life / work habits (such as being able to take the kids farming in the field, etc)

Tigger · Apr 18, 2012

Tucker Case said:
You made a claim that something exists so slap on a pair of balls and support that claim. You see what I did there?

Do I really have to explain basic biology to you, TC? Exactly how much milk can you get out of YOUR tits? Do you have hips naturally designed and shaped to carry children both prior to birth and after? If you do, I think you might want to see your physician. The natural parental instincts, the willingness to put the betterment of the child ahead of themselves, etc... exist much more powerfully in women than in Men. These are all because NATURE designed WOMEN to raise the children, not the Men. I'm sorry if you're too ****ing moronic to be able to figure these things out on your own.

Tucker Case said:
I figured you'd be too scared to actually man up and support your claim. It's your M.O. Running away and hiding from a challenge is such a manly trait, isn't it?

One of the differences between us is that you seem to have this mentality that you give a **** what other people think of you and your views. I don't. I see no point in wasting my time trying to explain basic common sense, reason, and logic to people. If you don't get it naturally, you're probably not going to.

rocket88 said:
So you basically have no respect for what they fought for. Nice.

No. I just have a very different vision of what they were fighting for than most people do. This vision has been passed down in my family for generations. All the way back from the members of my family who fought in the Revolution, lynched a Tory/Loyalist in Essex, CT in the 1790's, and fought for the Confederacy even though they were from Connecticut.

Aunt Spiker said:
Both of you - and others with your same views:

That's stupid. . . your thinking is what led to an elderly woman crying at the DMV the other week out of confusion and frustration because her husband did 'all that manly car stuff' and when he was sick and in the hospital in his later years she suddenly had to figure out something she knew nothing about.

Your way of thinking keeps men and women in the blind, ignorant and incapable dark - and when the yneed to fulfill a purpose at some point (as we all will have to do) - then they won't know *what* to do.

Auntie, neither one of my grandmothers drove a day in their lives. Neither one of them held a paying job at any point in their lives. They stayed home, kept the house and raised the kids and never complained about it. They died in 1989 and 1992 respectively, so we're not exactly talking ancient times, here.

Lethargic Aptitude · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Appropriately is defined by the accepted morals and values of the society, which in my mind are the same ones that were largely in existance in this nation until the beginning decades of the 20th century.

Considering that my relatives were among those sheding their own (and others) blood to build this nation, I'll be much more concerned with my viewpoint on it than yours.

If that's what's necessary to ensure a proper society and culture then so be it. It's not my preference, but considering the inability of the average American to live anything even remotely close to a decent life these days maybe it's what we need.

Ah, but just like "democracies", they all have subtle differences that need to be looked into when making such a decision.

Go ahead and laugh. I stopped concerning myself with what anyone thought of me or my views about the time I was in first grade, so that really means nothing to me. Besides, a man with the means and willingness to act is never irrelevant in the long run.

Good luck getting other Americans to get behind an dictatorship. Or I should say good luck getting sane Americans to rally behind you. Just like Communism Americans wont go willing, you are simply underestimating Americans and our resolve to stop Authoritarian movements home and abroad.

I have an idea, could the extreme Right and the occupiers go slug it out in another country and leave us Americans at home in peace?

katiegrrl0 · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Do I really have to explain basic biology to you, TC? Exactly how much milk can you get out of YOUR tits? Do you have hips naturally designed and shaped to carry children both prior to birth and after? If you do, I think you might want to see your physician. The natural parental instincts, the willingness to put the betterment of the child ahead of themselves, etc... exist much more powerfully in women than in Men. These are all because NATURE designed WOMEN to raise the children, not the Men. I'm sorry if you're too ****ing moronic to be able to figure these things out on your own.

One of the differences between us is that you seem to have this mentality that you give a **** what other people think of you and your views. I don't. I see no point in wasting my time trying to explain basic common sense, reason, and logic to people. If you don't get it naturally, you're probably not going to.

No. I just have a very different vision of what they were fighting for than most people do. This vision has been passed down in my family for generations. All the way back from the members of my family who fought in the Revolution, lynched a Tory/Loyalist in Essex, CT in the 1790's, and fought for the Confederacy even though they were from Connecticut.

Auntie, neither one of my grandmothers drove a day in their lives. Neither one of them held a paying job at any point in their lives. They stayed home, kept the house and raised the kids and never complained about it. They died in 1989 and 1992 respectively, so we're not exactly talking ancient times, here.

Women's abilities extend far beyond in fact light year's beyond childbearing and after care. We had a brain and drive and desires. We can add and subtract. We can do tasks even when we are not barefoot and pregnant or nursing a child at our breasts. Did you know that women can even vote now because we can gather and retain information. We can write and draw and do most everything a man can do. I hate to burst your bubble but a man can be just as skilled at raising a child as a woman. Men really can do that. There is this invention called a baby bottle and men can fill this with the liquid and feed the baby. Wow how about joining the rest of us in 2012 and finding out all the wonders the world holds. You will be shocked.

Aunt Spiker · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Do I really have to explain basic biology to you, TC? Exactly how much milk can you get out of YOUR tits? Do you have hips naturally designed and shaped to carry children both prior to birth and after? If you do, I think you might want to see your physician. The natural parental instincts, the willingness to put the betterment of the child ahead of themselves, etc... exist much more powerfully in women than in Men. These are all because NATURE designed WOMEN to raise the children, not the Men. I'm sorry if you're too ****ing moronic to be able to figure these things out on your own.

You're silly to think that our physical differences define every single thing about how we should behave, what we should wear and where we should go and what we should and shouldn't do in life. If you have kids: you're only a parent-of-young-children for a portion of your life. . . you can't let that govern everything about you.

Just becaues a man cannot be pregnant and birth a child from his loins doesn't mean he can't be a decent parent and can't show love, affection, respect and understanding - and whatever else you think defined a 'mom's responsibilities' vs a 'dad's responsibilities' - these things are not ironed into our gentic code.

Auntie, neither one of my grandmothers drove a day in their lives. Neither one of them held a paying job at any point in their lives. They stayed home, kept the house and raised the kids and never complained about it. They died in 1989 and 1992 respectively, so we're not exactly talking ancient times, here.

It's actualy common among elderly women and men to not know how to drive just the same - vehicles weren't affordable back in the 30's and 40's and life just wasn't built so much on it.

My Godmother passed away recently: she was 92 - same with her: never worked, never really left the house, she was a recluse in hte last 30 years of her life who never put on anything other than a mumu and slippers. She always maintained the farm, however - always. She outlived her husband and her children who lived near her. She died of dehydration alone in her basement - no one discovered her body until she was gone for over a month. She likely went down there to put jam on the shelves which she stashed obcessively - and collapsed, no one around to keep and eye on her, save her - or even drive her to the Dr when she fell ill.

I thought that was horrible - worse than dying itself: no one knew she was gone - she was just that forgotten.

And that invisible and forgotten is the exact nature of existence that I don't want to be stuck in: not only reliant on my husband for economic support - but to drive me to the store, take me to the dr, pick the kids up from school and everything else in between. That's a recipe for a forgotten life and dying abused in an old-folks home.

If I lived a simple, small modest life dating back to a childhood of the 1930's maybe I'd have a different construct - but I don't. I was born and lived most of my childhood in a small Pentecostal community where the girls did everything and the boys left young to attend school - and never really came back.

Your trapped infantile expectations of women in your life can kiss my butt. LOL!

Tucker Case · Apr 18, 2012

Tigger said:
Do I really have to explain basic biology to you, TC? Exactly how much milk can you get out of YOUR tits?

Formula exists. Breast pumps exist. Nothing about not having tits prevents a man from performing those duties. Tools, my friend. Tools.

Do you have hips naturally designed and shaped to carry children both prior to birth and after?

The wider hips are for allowing the child to be born. I have no trouble carrying my son despite my hip shape. In fact, I have far less trouble doing so than my wife does. Nonsense rejected.

The natural parental instincts, the willingness to put the betterment of the child ahead of themselves, etc... exist much more powerfully in women than in Men.

Nonsense. You've never been a father, so stop talking out of your ass.

These are all because NATURE designed WOMEN to raise the children, not the Men.

Men raise children, so thinking fail on your part.

I'm sorry if you're too ****ing moronic to be able to figure these things out on your own.

rof It's not moronic to not come to false conclusions about things.

One of the differences between us is that you seem to have this mentality that you give a **** what other people think of you and your views. I don't. I see no point in wasting my time trying to explain basic common sense, reason, and logic to people. If you don't get it naturally, you're probably not going to.

Actually, the main difference between us is that I don't run away from a challenge. I have the balls to face them head on.

The only reason you haven't run away from me yet is that you can't put me on your ignore list (although you've tried to run away form me too) and you don't have the self-control to actually ignore me without using a crutch.

Aunt Spiker · Apr 18, 2012

Tucker Case said:
Formula exists. Breast pumps exist. Nothing about not having tits prevents a man from performing those duties. Tools, my friend. Tools.

The wider hips are for allowing the child to be born. I have no trouble carrying my son despite my hip shape. In fact, I have far less trouble doing so than my wife does. Nonsense rejected.

Nonsense. You've never been a father, so stop talking out of your ass.

Men raise children, so thinking fail on your part.

rof It's not moronic to not come to false conclusions about things.

Actually, the main difference between us is that I don't run away from a challenge. I have the balls to face them head on.

The only reason you haven't run away from me yet is that you can't put me on your ignore list (although you've tried to run away form me too) and you don't have the self-control to actually ignore me without using a crutch.

Bravo - well said! Love it

Tigger · Apr 18, 2012

katiegrrl0 said:
Did you know that women can even vote now because we can gather and retain information. We can write and draw and do most everything a man can do.

I know that there are many things a woman CAN do. My concern is more about what women and Men SHOULD be doing, what what they CAN do.

katiegrrl0 said:
I hate to burst your bubble but a man can be just as skilled at raising a child as a woman. Men really can do that.

I truly hope you're wrong. If you're not, then we have devolved even futher than I had thought as a species (and that's saying something).

katiegrrl0 said:
Wow how about joining the rest of us in 2012 and finding out all the wonders the world holds. You will be shocked.

No thanks. Not interested. Never have been and never will be.

Stay at home dads.

Is it acceptable for the man to stay at home raising the kids while the woman works?

Yes it is acceptable for the man to stay at home raising the kids.

No, the man that stays at home while the woman works is a lazy bum!

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Matthew 16:3

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