View Poll Results: Your opinion of the Buffet Rule

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  • It will hurt job creators

    15 30.00%
  • It will raise revenue and help the economy

    27 54.00%
  • It will promote laziness

    7 14.00%
  • It is the definition of socialism

    8 16.00%
  • It will help close the gap between the middle class and rich

    20 40.00%
  • It punishes the upper tier of social darwinism

    6 12.00%
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Thread: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    And I asked you to not feign ignorance and pretend that you haven't seen dozens of posts proving my point.
    You're such a victim of societies ills and woes

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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And counselor your evidence is?
    TD is right to call foul on you and haymarket. CBO data has been listed time and time again on this site, as it was listed to me years ago by Solidus, and countless times by various individuals.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...ge_rates_3.pdf

    Total Average Federal Tax Rate
    Starting with the lowest income quintile to the highest quintile, then going beyond that to the top 10%, top 5%, and top % income earners, every single step UP the income scale, sees an average INCREASE in federal tax rate.


    Clearly the higher quintile pays more in average federal income tax, and in terms of rate. The top 10%. The top 5%. The top 1%.

    You want to also see the CBO data that shows how much of the overall tax BURDEN those higher incomes carry compared to all the lower incomes? It's staggering, but I'm sure you have seen that today too, right?

    Now, do you accept this, or not? If so, what is your position now?

    Only high profile thing they should change is the hedge fund salary loophole using cap gains rates in lieu of ordinary income rates. That's not anti-rich, that's IMO, pay your share. There may be issues I don't know about with it, but it's the one thing that irks me when I hear it beacuse my ****ing 3x% rate, higher when you add in all other taxation, is staggering and I don't make a fraction of what they make...
    Last edited by Mach; 04-19-12 at 07:20 PM.

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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That makes no sense. A person of average intelligence should be able to identify where their own interests lie and who shares those interests.
    So you think the average person is selfish? You do realize the contradictory implications of what you just stated right?

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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    TD is right to call foul on you and haymarket. CBO data has been listed time and time again on this site, as it was listed to me years ago by Solidus, and countless times by various individuals.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...ge_rates_3.pdf

    Total Average Federal Tax Rate
    Starting with the lowest income quintile to the highest quintile, then going beyond that to the top 10%, top 5%, and top % income earners, every single step UP the income scale, sees an average INCREASE in federal tax rate.


    Clearly the higher quintile pays more in average federal income tax, and in terms of rate. The top 10%. The top 5%. The top 1%.

    You want to also see the CBO data that shows how much of the overall tax BURDEN those higher incomes carry compared to all the lower incomes? It's staggering, but I'm sure you have seen that today too, right?

    Now, do you accept this, or not? If so, what is your position now?

    Only high profile thing they should change is the hedge fund salary loophole using cap gains rates in lieu of ordinary income rates. That's not anti-rich, that's IMO, pay your share. There may be issues I don't know about with it, but it's the one thing that irks me when I hear it beacuse my ****ing 3x% rate, higher when you add in all other taxation, is staggering and I don't make a fraction of what they make...
    What about toal taxe?

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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    TD is right to call foul on you and haymarket. CBO data has been listed time and time again on this site, as it was listed to me years ago by Solidus, and countless times by various individuals.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...ge_rates_3.pdf

    Total Average Federal Tax Rate
    Starting with the lowest income quintile to the highest quintile, then going beyond that to the top 10%, top 5%, and top % income earners, every single step UP the income scale, sees an average INCREASE in federal tax rate.


    Clearly the higher quintile pays more in average federal income tax, and in terms of rate. The top 10%. The top 5%. The top 1%.

    You want to also see the CBO data that shows how much of the overall tax BURDEN those higher incomes carry compared to all the lower incomes? It's staggering, but I'm sure you have seen that today too, right?

    Now, do you accept this, or not? If so, what is your position now?

    Only high profile thing they should change is the hedge fund salary loophole using cap gains rates in lieu of ordinary income rates. That's not anti-rich, that's IMO, pay your share. There may be issues I don't know about with it, but it's the one thing that irks me when I hear it beacuse my ****ing 3x% rate, higher when you add in all other taxation, is staggering and I don't make a fraction of what they make...
    So what?

    Turtle makes statements and fails to back it up. There are people here who simply do not know how to use evidence and they make statements based on other peoples previously cited evidence that dealt with some other facet of the question.

    They know they have seen some evidence but they make other assertions that are not supported by that evidence and even then it is impossible to give it an honest hearing because they FAIL to present it.

    It is akin to going in to a college debate and telling the judge that you presented that evidence last month at a different tournament - but the other team was there and the judge was there so everybody should just accept that it was there and is correct and proves your current point.
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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What about toal taxe?
    Does the buffet rule cover total tax or federal income tax?
    As a dreamer of dreams and a travellin' man, I have chalked up many a mile.
    Read dozens of books about heroes and crooks and I've learned much from both of their styles!

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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    So you think the average person is selfish? You do realize the contradictory implications of what you just stated right?
    Do you know the difference between identifying your own interests and being selfish?
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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you know the difference between identifying your own interests and being selfish?
    What is the difference?

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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You're such a victim of societies ills and woes
    You sound like Aesop's fox

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    Re: What are your feelings on the Buffet Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    TD is right to call foul on you and haymarket. CBO data has been listed time and time again on this site, as it was listed to me years ago by Solidus, and countless times by various individuals.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...ge_rates_3.pdf

    Total Average Federal Tax Rate
    Starting with the lowest income quintile to the highest quintile, then going beyond that to the top 10%, top 5%, and top % income earners, every single step UP the income scale, sees an average INCREASE in federal tax rate.


    Clearly the higher quintile pays more in average federal income tax, and in terms of rate. The top 10%. The top 5%. The top 1%.

    You want to also see the CBO data that shows how much of the overall tax BURDEN those higher incomes carry compared to all the lower incomes? It's staggering, but I'm sure you have seen that today too, right?

    Now, do you accept this, or not? If so, what is your position now?

    Only high profile thing they should change is the hedge fund salary loophole using cap gains rates in lieu of ordinary income rates. That's not anti-rich, that's IMO, pay your share. There may be issues I don't know about with it, but it's the one thing that irks me when I hear it beacuse my ****ing 3x% rate, higher when you add in all other taxation, is staggering and I don't make a fraction of what they make...

    several of the libs have an annoying habit of trying to derail or divert posts or threads that are uncomfortable to Obama slurping by demanding proof that has been pounded into their heads dozens of times. Its a rather weak ploy but annoying

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