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Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

Who will you vote for in the 2012 Presidential Election?


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That is a conservative piece of legislation, or did you forget the 90's?

It was voted in along partisan lines in the house and in the snate all dems voted for it and all Repubs voted against it..........
 
Hell, even Goldwater, the father of modern conservatism would be considered a left-wing liberal by todays GOP.

What a crock. Goldwater's approach to many issues would be regarded as extremely small government (I'm talking lack of funding for government programs) for their liking-like Paul now.
 
The GOP of today is having an identity crisis of epic proportions. It is being pushed incredibly right.

With the Religious right, the Libertarians, the birther wing (crazies) and the moderates all wanting to kill eachother, it's amazing the GOP is still in tact.

But if they lose this election, the Right Wing will split.

I don't see that. Romney is the candidate and he's a moderate Republican. If anything, the Republicans are moving more towards the center and the Dems are becoming increasingly partisan and isolated.

If the birthers, libertarians (which are also part of the Dem party) and fundamentalists really are in charge of the GOP we wouldn't have Romney as the nominee (they can't stand Romney) and we would have someone like Ron Paul or Bachmann.
 
well let me give you a couple of differences ok:

Obama Pro Choice.........Romney Pro Life

Obama Big Gov............. Romney small Gov.

Obama anti DOMA..........Romney pro DOMA

Obama pro Obama care........Romney anti Obama care

Obama tax increases........Romney anti tax increases

Obama cut defense spending ..........Romney increase defense spending or hold the line


Hope that helps

Dear god... :lamo

And all those positions will all be changed in about a week and then changed again in 2 weeks for Romeny
 
To those who claim Obama isn't a true liberal or "liberal enough", what policies/ issues are you referring to? Just curious..
 
It was voted in along partisan lines in the house and in the snate all dems voted for it and all Repubs voted against it..........

Yeah, and the conservative democrats voted for it. Oh how I long for liberals to grow some balls.
 
What a crock. Goldwater's approach to many issues would be regarded as extremely small government (I'm talking lack of funding for government programs) for their liking-like Paul now.

True...Goldwater actually WAS a small government TRUE Conservative....nothing like the GOP of today.
 
1. I am not sure this country will last to 2016 under Huseein Obama.
What are we going to do disapear? Float off into space? Are we gonna blow up?


3. a 3rd party vote is a vote for Obama
No its a vote for a 3rd party


4. not to my knowledge.......If he runs he will ensure Obama wins............
Romney is a real power house i tell ya... :roll:
 
I don't see that. Romney is the candidate and he's a moderate Republican. If anything, the Republicans are moving more towards the center and the Dems are becoming increasingly partisan and isolated.

If the birthers, libertarians (which are also part of the Dem party) and fundamentalists really are in charge of the GOP we wouldn't have Romney as the nominee (they can't stand Romney) and we would have someone like Ron Paul or Bachmann.

Romney is not even CLOSE to being a moderate. They have tried to couch him as such, but Romney is almost far-right wing wacko as Santorum was.
 
I don't see that. Romney is the candidate and he's a moderate Republican. If anything, the Republicans are moving more towards the center and the Dems are becoming increasingly partisan and isolated.

If the birthers, libertarians (which are also part of the Dem party) and fundamentalists really are in charge of the GOP we wouldn't have Romney as the nominee (they can't stand Romney) and we would have someone like Ron Paul or Bachmann.

The dems are hardly more partisan and political than the republicans. If anything the dems love to bend over backwards to make the republicans like them.
 
Romney is not even CLOSE to being a moderate. They have tried to couch him as such, but Romney is almost far-right wing wacko as Santorum was.

How so? And how does a far right whacko become governor of MA?
 
Romney is not even CLOSE to being a moderate. They have tried to couch him as such, but Romney is almost far-right wing wacko as Santorum was.

Translation: we move goal posts a lot in order to make the next Republican look like the craziest son of a bitch you'd ever seen, irregardless if the context is true.
 
To those who claim Obama isn't a true liberal or "liberal enough", what policies/ issues are you referring to? Just curious..

Pretty much on everything....look at his voting record...as a state Senator, a US Senator and now US President. His foreign policy is closer to a conservative than liberal. He certainly hasn't gone overboard in supporting liberal social issues, except for putting an end to DADT. His economic policies are not liberal. Even his healthcare proposal was extremely moderate. As a liberal I would like to see single-payer brought to the table. Obama is too afraid to venture too far from the middle. Probably wise if he wants to appeal to moderates and independents, but certainly not even close to embracing liberal ideas.
 
The dems are hardly more partisan and political than the republicans. If anything the dems love to bend over backwards to make the republicans like them.

I don't see this. They did nothing to gain Republican support for the healthcare bill. All it takes is one Obama speech to see how he trashes the GOP constantly and blames them for the ills of the country. Obama as the president has failed at being the bipartisan healer that he claimed to be, and I find his partisan rants to be childish. I also don't see Dems bending over backwards to Republicans nor do I see any attempt at reaching across the isle on their part.

The Republicans aren't doing much better, but I don't think it's right to say the Dems bend-over for the GOP and want them to like them.
 
True...Goldwater actually WAS a small government TRUE Conservative....nothing like the GOP of today.

Disney, you're playing the liberal "true conservative" card again. There's not really such a thing. Even the conservatives who say it aren't really aware of conservatism's varied history.
 
How so? And how does a far right whacko become governor of MA?

Digs....have you been following Romney? He is a completely different person today than he was as Governor. The man reinvents himself according to the election. His positions have changed 180 from when he was Governor. Take a look at his record...what his positions were when he was governor and compare them to what he claims his stances are today. The man is a major flip flopper.
 
Disney, you're playing the liberal "true conservative" card again. There's not really such a thing.

Sure there is....if you actually believe in the ideas of the father of modern Conservatism. Today's GOP is not even close to what Goldwater espoused which was small government. The GOP of today is pro-big brother/huge government. Not exactly "Conservative" principles.
 
Digs....have you been following Romney? He is a completely different person today than he was as Governor. The man reinvents himself according to the election. His positions have changed 180 from when he was Governor. Take a look at his record...what his positions were when he was governor and compare them to what he claims his stances are today. The man is a major flip flopper.

The only notable thing I've seen is his change on abortion (which I am happy with). If he really is a conservative whacko why do the conservative whackos hate him? Many have trashed Romney for being a "closet liberal" and they tend to support people like Paul or Bachmann/Santorum, not Romney.
 
I don't see this. They did nothing to gain Republican support for the healthcare bill. All it takes is one Obama speech to see how he trashes the GOP constantly and blames them for the ills of the country. Obama as the president has failed at being the bipartisan healer that he claimed to be, and I find his partisan rants to be childish. I also don't see Dems bending over backwards to Republicans nor do I see any attempt at reaching across the isle on their part.

The Republicans aren't doing much better, but I don't think it's right to say the Dems bend-over for the GOP and want them to like them.

Wh-wh-wh-what! They adopted the REPUBLICAN idea of the insurance mandate as a concession to the public option in order to appease the Republicans and the Blue dogs.....even THAT didn't attract the Repubs...but the blue dogs came along.
 
The only notable thing I've seen is his change on abortion (which I am happy with). If he really is a conservative whacko why do the conservative whackos hate him? Many have trashed Romney for being a "closet liberal" and they tend to support people like Paul or Bachmann/Santorum, not Romney.

Its because they don't trust him. They think that he is reinventing himself as a right-wing conservative in order to attract votes and that he will shake his etch a sketch self off and reinvent himself in the fall.
 
Sure there is....if you actually believe in the ideas of the father of modern Conservatism. Today's GOP is not even close to what Goldwater espoused which was small government. The GOP of today is pro-big brother/huge government. Not exactly "Conservative" principles.

Goldwater wasn't even the sole definition of conservative when he hit 1964.
 
well let me give you a couple of differences ok:

Obama Pro Choice.........Romney Pro Life

Obama Big Gov............. Romney small Gov.

Obama anti DOMA..........Romney pro DOMA

Obama pro Obama care........Romney anti Obama care

Obama tax increases........Romney anti tax increases

Obama cut defense spending ..........Romney increase defense spending or hold the line


Hope that helps

cant believe that it only looks like romneys etch n sketch of the week.
 
I don't see this. They did nothing to gain Republican support for the healthcare bill. All it takes is one Obama speech to see how he trashes the GOP constantly and blames them for the ills of the country. Obama as the president has failed at being the bipartisan healer that he claimed to be, and I find his partisan rants to be childish. I also don't see Dems bending over backwards to Republicans nor do I see any attempt at reaching across the isle on their part.

The Republicans aren't doing much better, but I don't think it's right to say the Dems bend-over for the GOP and want them to like them.

That's what it seems like to me. Take the healthcare debate, we went from a single payer system, to this mandated crap very quick because they wanted some republican votes. They bend over backwards on core liberal values because they refuse to nut up, and take a stand. It's disheartening.

And the republicans are worse, because they see this, move the goalposts, and dare to call Obama a socialist, and move their party to the far right. While Romney may be the candidate, he's going to get severe pressure from the party to be more conservative, I suspect he will try to bring up social issues into this race to stir up the base. Also, Romney was never real liberal, a right of center moderate at best. But of course, he's a big liberal now because of how far to the right the party has come.

Please, please. please let a real liberal run in 2016!
 
Wh-wh-wh-what! They adopted the REPUBLICAN idea of the insurance mandate as a concession to the public option in order to appease the Republicans and the Blue dogs.....even THAT didn't attract the Repubs...but the blue dogs came along.

It was a gambit to attract moderate democrats like my state. It wasn't aimed at Republicans. The party division was their primary concern.
 
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