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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The only notable thing I've seen is his change on abortion (which I am happy with). If he really is a conservative whacko why do the conservative whackos hate him? Many have trashed Romney for being a "closet liberal" and they tend to support people like Paul or Bachmann/Santorum, not Romney.
    Its because they don't trust him. They think that he is reinventing himself as a right-wing conservative in order to attract votes and that he will shake his etch a sketch self off and reinvent himself in the fall.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sure there is....if you actually believe in the ideas of the father of modern Conservatism. Today's GOP is not even close to what Goldwater espoused which was small government. The GOP of today is pro-big brother/huge government. Not exactly "Conservative" principles.
    Goldwater wasn't even the sole definition of conservative when he hit 1964.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    well let me give you a couple of differences ok:

    Obama Pro Choice.........Romney Pro Life

    Obama Big Gov............. Romney small Gov.

    Obama anti DOMA..........Romney pro DOMA

    Obama pro Obama care........Romney anti Obama care

    Obama tax increases........Romney anti tax increases

    Obama cut defense spending ..........Romney increase defense spending or hold the line


    Hope that helps
    cant believe that it only looks like romneys etch n sketch of the week.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't see this. They did nothing to gain Republican support for the healthcare bill. All it takes is one Obama speech to see how he trashes the GOP constantly and blames them for the ills of the country. Obama as the president has failed at being the bipartisan healer that he claimed to be, and I find his partisan rants to be childish. I also don't see Dems bending over backwards to Republicans nor do I see any attempt at reaching across the isle on their part.

    The Republicans aren't doing much better, but I don't think it's right to say the Dems bend-over for the GOP and want them to like them.
    That's what it seems like to me. Take the healthcare debate, we went from a single payer system, to this mandated crap very quick because they wanted some republican votes. They bend over backwards on core liberal values because they refuse to nut up, and take a stand. It's disheartening.

    And the republicans are worse, because they see this, move the goalposts, and dare to call Obama a socialist, and move their party to the far right. While Romney may be the candidate, he's going to get severe pressure from the party to be more conservative, I suspect he will try to bring up social issues into this race to stir up the base. Also, Romney was never real liberal, a right of center moderate at best. But of course, he's a big liberal now because of how far to the right the party has come.

    Please, please. please let a real liberal run in 2016!
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wh-wh-wh-what! They adopted the REPUBLICAN idea of the insurance mandate as a concession to the public option in order to appease the Republicans and the Blue dogs.....even THAT didn't attract the Repubs...but the blue dogs came along.
    It was a gambit to attract moderate democrats like my state. It wasn't aimed at Republicans. The party division was their primary concern.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post

    Please, please. please let a real liberal run in 2016!
    Hear here!
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    That's what it seems like to me. Take the healthcare debate, we went from a single payer system, to this mandated crap very quick because they wanted some republican votes. They bend over backwards on core liberal values because they refuse to nut up, and take a stand. It's disheartening.

    And the republicans are worse, because they see this, move the goalposts, and dare to call Obama a socialist, and move their party to the far right. While Romney may be the candidate, he's going to get severe pressure from the party to be more conservative, I suspect he will try to bring up social issues into this race to stir up the base. Also, Romney was never real liberal, a right of center moderate at best. But of course, he's a big liberal now because of how far to the right the party has come.

    Please, please. please let a real liberal run in 2016!
    They had to change things to please the blue dog Dems and more moderate Dems. Lots of Southern Dems would have lost everything if they voted for a single payer system. The vote was heavily partisan, and the reason for changing things was to gain Democrat support in order to pass it and not to gain Republican votes that they never needed.

    I wish that we had a real liberal when it comes to education because we have an educational crisis. I also want a real liberal on healthcare reform. I wish a pro SSM convicted social conservative would run too... I will never have my ideal candidate.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Digsbe....you wanna see more Romney Flip Flops.....other than Abortion, Gay rights, Healthcare?

    14 Bald-Faced Mitt Romney Flip-Flops That Were Dug Up By John McCain - Business Insider

    Mitt Romney Flip-Flops
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Who will you vote for in the 2012 Presidential Election?
    Neither.

    If there is a 3rd party candidate I like and my state doesn't screw third party candidates this upcoming presidential election. Then I will vote for that 3rd party candidate I like. If my state screws 3rd party candidates then I will not vote for president. I will however still participate in other elections and ballot issues that will be going on that day. Now if Romney has the audacity to pick Gingrich as his running mate then I will swallow my pride and vote for Obama.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 04-10-12 at 07:18 PM.
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