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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    They are manging multiple wars beind the scenes already. Yemen, Syria, Bahrain, Af-Pak, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, as they use Newspeak dogma regarding "humanitarian" concerns, this is merely a cover for installing or maintaining puppet regimes the U.S. and it allies can control. All this talk of democracy from rebels is merely a stage play for U.S. proxy soldiers.

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    So are all you leftys gonna vote for Obama, even though we all know that he is deliberately delaying wars with Syria and Iran until after the election?

    You know those wars will commence as soon as he's re-elected, yes?
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    Did they commence with your ultimate bad-boy Bush after his reelection?
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    No, Bush did the surge in Iraq, the "Salvador Option," it was called - that disasterous Falluja massacre.



    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    No, they commenced after his first election. I consider both Obama and Bush to be war-mongers and a threat to our freedom. Kane has a valid point. Do you disagree that he will become more militarily aggressive after his reelection?
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    Well, I guess I'm all for both idiotic parties bickering so hard that they're too incompetent to start another war for us. Sometimes your government's own incompetence can be an asset.
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    Yeah. I do. I to a large extent embrace this vision:

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    So you as a liberal, support NATO arming and starting another Iraq type disaster in Syria?

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    So you as a liberal, support NATO arming and starting another Iraq type disaster in Syria?
    Since when have I been a liberal? Are you new here or something?
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Since when have I been a liberal? Are you new here or something?
    I'm asking Fiddy.

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    I don't want to go to Syria and occupy it, no. You might be able to convince me in some number of years to do a Libya, but that's unlikely at the moment. I do like NATO though.
    Last edited by Fiddytree; 05-09-12 at 07:17 PM.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I don't want to go to Syria and occupy it, no. You might be able to convince me in some number of years to do a Libya, but that's unlikely at the moment. I do like NATO though.
    I'm not trying to be mean, but I think if you believe yourself to be liberal or you're a Democrat, and you are pro-war, you should leave the Party and join the Republicons!

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    I'm not trying to be mean, but I think if you believe yourself to be liberal or you're a Democrat, and you are pro-war, you should leave the Party and join the Republicons!
    Depends on which war you support. Not all wars are created equal.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    I'm not trying to be mean, but I think if you believe yourself to be liberal or you're a Democrat, and you are pro-war, you should leave the Party and join the Republicons!
    Don't worry. I already have mostly left the party. But your scale doesn't much factor in it, as you promote some wild theories daily.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Depends on which war you support. Not all wars are created equal.
    Don't try selling that. He sees Neocons everywhere.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Don't try selling that. He sees Neocons everywhere.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Since when have I been a liberal? Are you new here or something?
    Everyone thinks you are a Liberal......Your posts give you away.....
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