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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Wrong.



    Right. I don't watch Mythbusters, so I'd be interested in how they went about it. In any case, it's a simple proof.

    Proof:
    Since there's one car and three doors, the odd are 2/3 that you are going to choose an empty door. Regardless of whether you were initially right or wrong, the host always has an empty door they can show after you choose. Therefore, choosing to switch is equivalent to originally selecting the two doors you didn't choose together instead of the one. So you odds at winning the car double from 1/3 to 2/3.


    This problem generalizes to the case of having x number of doors and being shown empty doors until only the one you chose and one more remain. Switching then increases your odds from 1/x to (x-1)/x.
    Interesting. I don't know if I buy it without analyzing it further but its interesting nonetheless.

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Right. I don't watch Mythbusters, so I'd be interested in how they went about it. In any case, it's a simple proof.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Interesting. I don't know if I buy it without analyzing it further but its interesting nonetheless.
    It's called the monty hall paradox. There are a lot of youtube videos on it if you're interested.

    Here's the mythbusters episode. It was pretty clever how they did it.
    MythBusters Season 9 Episode 21 - HD WHEEL OF MYTHFORTUNES (FULL) - YouTube
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    It's called the monty hall paradox. There are a lot of youtube videos on it if you're interested.

    Here's the mythbusters episode. It was pretty clever how they did it.
    MythBusters Season 9 Episode 21 - HD WHEEL OF MYTHFORTUNES (FULL) - YouTube
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats pretty much all true...except...it was during the Jurassic Age were now in 2012 the Age of the Teaparty

    The perfect transition point for these little gems:


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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The full job title is Applied Research Mathematician with focus in number theory, combinatorics and probability.
    Ah, research. And probability.

    "If scientific reasoning were limited to the logical processes of arithmetic, we should not get very far in our understanding of the physical world. One might as well attempt to grasp the game of poker entirely by the use of the mathematics of probability."

    You're on an old-school game show where there are three closed doors, one with a car behind it and two empty. You select a door and hope to choose the one with the car. The host then shows you that one of the doors you didn't pick is empty. Then the host does the offer for you to keep the door you picked or switch to the unopened door you didn't choose. Do you keep your door, switch, or does it make no difference?
    I do nothing, since I have never been, nor would ever be on any gameshow.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    OK let it fly:
    Doesn't matter Navy, Obama's got it in the bag.

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Doesn't matter Navy, Obama's got it in the bag.
    sure he does. I look forward to your suicide if Romney wins. Such an event would surely crush the life out of you

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Doesn't matter Navy, Obama's got it in the bag.
    I wouldnt bet on that right this minute haz...

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know. There are certainly some base courses where they are teaching a methodology; but I think a lot of this is up to drive as well. In undergrad I majored in Chemistry and Physics with minors in Math, Botany, and Political Science. I really only felt that in gen ed classes was there not a lot of effort placed in critical thinking and problem solving. In physics, the ideal is critical thinking and problem solving. It's not about x=xo+vot+1/2at^2. That formula can be derived so long as you understand the system you're analyzing. In fact it was always easy to find the kids who only wanted to plug and chug because they would often use the wrong equations and refused to actually understand the physics instead. In physics it's concepts and thinking, all formulas fall out easily if you know it.

    In undergrad I worked on particle accelerators, super conductors, ultra high vacuum systems, I made my own experiment for the p-chem course, etc. Now I have a PhD, what did I learn? I know a **** ton about physics, I'm published in peer-reviewed journals, I've given countless talks and poster presentations, I understand how optics work, I can make complex electrical circuits and design printed circuit boards, I can build ANYTHING with a lathe and a mill, I can program in several langauages. I built a lab from ground up to do my PhD research including lasers, electronics, mechanics, etc.

    So is there no "real world" application in that? Hell no. In fact, one of the reasons why I can strip a motorcycle down to the frame and build it again was that I had the problem solving capabilities to sit down by myself and learn how to do it. I didn't need to go to school (you can pay someone to teach you how an engine works if you need I suppose). I fixed our old microwave because I understand electronics.

    I think that for some of the more anti-intellectual folk out there they cannot see higher education as yielding anything important and think that all we do can never be applied to the real world. But even base research is applicable and you wouldn't have the tech you have today without it.
    I think you are seeing my point as being anti-intellectual, when that's really not what I'm trying to say. I'm all for intellectualism, I just don't buy into the idea that the only path to intellectualism is a formal education. I also don't buy the idea that having a PhD makes someone intellectually superior to a person without a PhD. Having a PhD is a fine thing. I've always been interested in pursuing one myself, although since my son was born I've decided to push it off for a while.

    That being said, one comment about the motorcycle: Didn't you ever tinker around with **** like that when you were a kid? When I was about 6, my old man had to start locking up all of his tools because I was taking everything apart, including the tools themselves, when he wasn't looking. Once he realized I could put them back together again, though, he didn't mind so much and bought me my own tool set when I was 7. Maybe the fact that I grew up in an environment where that kind of thing was encouraged gives me a strange perspective on things, but I find it odd to think that you didn't even feel comfortable tinkering with engines and such until you had gotten a formal education.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    You should be a defense lawyer, because you have quite a knack for diverting the focus of attention away from evidence against you. You're trying to counter by comparing jobs which merely use arithmetic and are near the bottom of the IQ. I'll give you that the carpenter uses a tiny amount of geometry. You've studied physics, so I would have expected you to realize that when I say "good at math" with respect to an adult that I'm talking about a lot more than being able to add, subtract, multiply and divide real numbers. I also love how you try to compare two jobs in the lower half rather than see the big picture of how jobs requiring math skills such as knowledge of calculus are near the top (e.g. science and engineering).
    I know what you mean by good at math, but I realize that (in most cases) that's a scholastic achievement, not a natural talent. Even the source used by your source explains that difference by describing math skill as a scholastic achievement (the PDf to that primary source is linked on the web page).

    A person does not need to be intelligent in order to achieve scholastically. It helps, certainly, but it's not required.


    There you go again with the defense lawyer approach as a pessimist instead of looking at the entire picture.
    I am looking at the entire picture. Correlation does not suggest causation. You should know this.
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