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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    As soon as you start yakking "racist" nobody listens. I think most honest people know that's not debating.

    Stating a fact that 96% of blacks voted for Obama suggests his race had something to do with it. You may not like this fact, but it is what it is.

    Hollaring racist is like yelling fire in a crowded theatre. It should be considered a hate crime.
    In all fairness, black support for Gore, Kerry, etc was almost as high. ever since the New Deal blacks have voted dem despite dem opposition to civil rights in the 50's and early 60s. Yet Black TURNOUT was extraordinary for Obama. What Obama did was not increase black voting PERCENTAGES much for dems but TURNOUT. A friend of mine lost his congressional seat as hordes of black voters voted dem across the board. he easily won his seat back in 2010 when these same black voters stayed home

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Instead of laughing, maybe you should take note that I was making a comparison of carpentry to other jobs on the list (the majority of which have no math involved). Did you know reading comprehension skills are also correlated with IQ scores? So should we assume that your sub-par ability to note the presence of a comparison, which is likely to be a product of sub-par reading comprehension skills, is a sign of a lack of intelligence on your part?
    You should be a defense lawyer, because you have quite a knack for diverting the focus of attention away from evidence against you. You're trying to counter by comparing jobs which merely use arithmetic and are near the bottom of the IQ. I'll give you that the carpenter uses a tiny amount of geometry. You've studied physics, so I would have expected you to realize that when I say "good at math" with respect to an adult that I'm talking about a lot more than being able to add, subtract, multiply and divide real numbers. I also love how you try to compare two jobs in the lower half rather than see the big picture of how jobs requiring math skills such as knowledge of calculus are near the top (e.g. science and engineering).

    Sure I did. But if you were really being smart about it, you'd have noticed that the median IQ for that group is still within the average IQ range. the majority of people in the field fail to get out of the "high average" range of intelligence. Surely a mathematician would be able to figure out what the overlap means. I mean, a full 50% of carpenters have IQs within the exact same range as 50% of the people in that physical science group (where math was found). It's right there in the numbers and ranges. One group as a whole was toward the bottom, the other was toward teh top. Clearly there are some carpenters who have higher IQs than some people in the physical.

    Hell, almost 25% of people in that physical science group had IQ's under 100. How would that be possible if math skill equaled intelligence?
    There you go again with the defense lawyer approach as a pessimist instead of looking at the entire picture.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Only if you ignore the fact that Democrats generally recieve 80ish % of the black vote every election.

    Maybe the issue is the vast majority of blacks don't trust the Republican party?
    some would say the addiction to entitlements and the fact that starting in the 60's the GOP was the law and order party. You do know what LBJ bragged about happening after the Civil rights act was signed into law by him?

    Something about the dems wrapping up the N$*%$(# vote for centuries

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    An education that values critical thinking skills versus bland regurgitation will expand someone's intelligence in my opinion.

    true, but it goes hand in hand. intelligent people are GENERALLY intellectually curious and intellectual curiosity drives a person to seek education to satisfy that curiosity. people with athletic talent don't always become skilled competitors but those who enjoy challenges and who have the talent to deal with them tend to be the most skilled athletes. same with thinkers. having innate skill makes the desire to challenge oneself more enjoyable and with that comes wisdom and skill

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    It appears philosophical mathematicians do, at times.
    ...in the hopes of seeing signs of even an ounce of logical reasoning skills in others once in a while.
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I'll take that as a non-answer.
    The full job title is Applied Research Mathematician with focus in number theory, combinatorics and probability. I also teach part-time.

    Here's a classical introductory to combinatorics problem for fun:

    You're on an old-school game show where there are three closed doors, one with a car behind it and two empty. You select a door and hope to choose the one with the car. The host then shows you that one of the doors you didn't pick is empty. Then the host does the offer for you to keep the door you picked or switch to the unopened door you didn't choose. Do you keep your door, switch, or does it make no difference?
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
    "It is truth very certain that, when it is not in one's power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is more probable." -- Rene Descartes

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The full job title is Applied Research Mathematician with focus in number theory, combinatorics and probability. I also teach part-time.

    Here's a classical introductory to combinatorics problem for fun:

    You're on an old-school game show where there are three closed doors, one with a car behind it and two empty. You select a door and hope to choose the one with the car. The host then shows you that one of the doors you didn't pick is empty. Then the host does the offer for you to keep the door you picked or switch to the unopened door you didn't choose. Do you keep your door, switch, or does it make no difference?
    Its 50 50 like flipping a coin? Your odds went from 33.3% to 50% of being right

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The full job title is Applied Research Mathematician with focus in number theory, combinatorics and probability. I also teach part-time.

    Here's a classical introductory to combinatorics problem for fun:

    You're on an old-school game show where there are three closed doors, one with a car behind it and two empty. You select a door and hope to choose the one with the car. The host then shows you that one of the doors you didn't pick is empty. Then the host does the offer for you to keep the door you picked or switch to the unopened door you didn't choose. Do you keep your door, switch, or does it make no difference?
    I love this game, you ALWAYS change doors!

    I found this for some reason such a hard concept to wrap my mind around, but mythbusters proved it.
    Last edited by RabidAlpaca; 05-04-12 at 09:03 PM.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I love this game, you ALWAYS change doors!

    I found this for some reason such a hard concept to wrap my mind around, but mythbusters proved it.
    Interesting. there is a joke in Hell about that

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its 50 50 like flipping a coin? Your odds went from 33.3% to 50% of being right
    Wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I love this game, you ALWAYS change doors!

    I found this for some reason such a hard concept to wrap my mind around, but mythbusters proved it.
    Right. I don't watch Mythbusters, so I'd be interested in how they went about it. In any case, it's a simple proof.

    Proof:
    Since there's one car and three doors, the odd are 2/3 that you are going to choose an empty door. Regardless of whether you were initially right or wrong, the host always has an empty door they can show after you choose. Therefore, choosing to switch is equivalent to originally selecting the two doors you didn't choose together instead of the one. So you odds at winning the car double from 1/3 to 2/3.


    This problem generalizes to the case of having x number of doors and being shown empty doors until only the one you chose and one more remain. Switching then increases your odds from 1/x to (x-1)/x.
    Last edited by Mathematician; 05-04-12 at 09:44 PM.
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
    "It is truth very certain that, when it is not in one's power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is more probable." -- Rene Descartes

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