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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It depends on what you are going to school for and how serious you are about learning.
    True on both counts, the field of study can make a huge difference, as can the job environment. But the seriousness about learning is not limited to a school environment. I'll take a person who is serious about learning, but never went to school a day in his life over a person who isn't serious about learning and has gone to school.

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I hate to always bring up Germany as the example for things, but this is something that they do very well. They have programs called "dualstudium" or "dual study", where you are accepted to a company and a college at the same time. For three years you alternate 6 months between studying at the college, and 6 months interning at the company as the job that you will be doing with your degree. As an example, for an engineer, after you finish the three years, you will have a bachelors degree and 18 months of on the job experience working in the actual job.

    You just spend the past 36 months applying what you learned, so you're ready to hit the ground running.

    That sounds like a fantastic and comprehensive education program to me.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I will hold my nose and vote for Obama. While hopefully waiting for a real liberal to run.
    We would all have to hold our noses if a real liberal ran. Then we could have a good laugh and breath freely when he got trounced.

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    True on both counts, the field of study can make a huge difference, as can the job environment. But the seriousness about learning is not limited to a school environment. I'll take a person who is serious about learning, but never went to school a day in his life over a person who isn't serious about learning and has gone to school.

    Learning is not limited to school environments in any way.
    Certainly isn't, nor do I make that case. I learned a lot about motorcycle repair and maintenance from taking my motorcycles apart in my garage. I don't discount that a lot of practical learning to specific environments can be learned outside the classroom. The classroom is usually a bit more general.

    For my experience, physics provides broad range and dynamic subject matters which require learning a HUGE set of skills and problem solving in order to tackle. Hell, I was rebuilding particle accelerators in my sophomore year of undergrad when all the business and philosophy majors were out getting drunk.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That sounds like a fantastic and comprehensive education program to me.
    Somewhat, there's actually a few problems with their system as well. We've had to play host to German grad students from time to time and the system ain't all it's cracked up to be.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Indeed.

    I am waiting for a list of college classes that put people into complex, dynamic situations where they learn to problem solve... I think the list that will never show up, would be short.
    Hypothetically, almost any college class can be approached that way. It depends on the teacher. There were a few courses I've taken that were better at it than others (the logic course I took, for example), and there were a few where using problem solving skills instead of the formulaic methods that you were taught was greatly discouraged (certain math courses I've taken allowed for absolutely no deviation from the expected formulas, for example, and would punish someone for taking an inventive and accurate approach to certain problems.)

    The majority of my courses neither promoted nor discouraged such learning
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The majority of my courses neither promoted nor discouraged such learning
    That's too bad. Should have went into the hard sciences, that's all we do.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    For my experience, physics provides broad range and dynamic subject matters which require learning a HUGE set of skills and problem solving in order to tackle. Hell, I was rebuilding particle accelerators in my sophomore year of undergrad when all the business and philosophy majors were out getting drunk.
    As you know, I was a physics major when I first went back to college, and in general I do place that major well ahead of most other majors as far as difficulty goes. I would agree that physics does encourage problem solving more than many other fields of study, but it also depends on the school and professors.

    I'd be willing to bet you had at least a few classmates that would be classified as "hard workers" rather than "great thinkers", though. I know I had a few classmates like that when I was still studying physics. ****, i might have had a couple of professors like that.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's too bad. Should have went into the hard sciences, that's all we do.
    I'm actually thinking about my time as a physics major as much as my time as a psychology major. Not physics so much, but a lot of the other science classes I had to take. My chemistry and math courses were the one's that actively discouraged problem solving skills, instead focusing entirely on regurgitation of the common formulas.

    Even my psychics courses paled in comparison to running a construction company, though.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The majority of my courses neither promoted nor discouraged such learning
    Mine as well. Amazingly, the worst was philosophy, where you should be able to think things through, but the professor wanted people thinking the way he did, and nothing else.

    I have no doubt that he, like others here, believes what he did was indeed critical thought and problem solving.
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