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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Skills in mathematics typically go hand in hand with a pretty good IQ.

    http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx
    Why do you think that counts as evidence about math being an indicator of IQ?

    Just look at carpenters. There is way, way more math involved in carpentry than sales managing, but the data they are showing indicate a lower range of IQ's for carpenters than sales managers. They actually show carpenters to have the lowest average IQs of all the trades, but they do more math than most trades.

    And more importantly, there was only one group where the 50th percentile of that group fell more than on standard deviation above the mean for IQ. Statistically speaking, we're not talking about the difference between intelligent and unintelligent, we're talking about the difference between the lower end of average and the upper end of average average.

    And medical doctor was the only field that didn't seem to have sub-100 IQ scores associated with it. Further supporting my claim that being good at math =/= intelligent.

    Also I'm sure you understand that correlation =/= causation. You fail to take note of any possible confounds. For example, the jobs aren't really ordered according to math skills nearly as much as they are ordered by the amount of physical labor associated with them. The more physical the job is, the lower the average IQ for the job. Is this because people with low IQ's can't get the less physical jobs? Of course not, there's tons of evidence right there showing that people in those jobs can have low IQs as well.

    Could it be that people with lower IQ's tend to prefer physical jobs while people with high IQ's prefer less physical jobs? Actually, that's very possible.

    I'd say that we should really control for such variables before we make claims like skills in mathematics go "hand in hand" with a pretty good IQ. I'd say that someone with a high IQ is more likely to be good at math than a person with a low IQ, but that's nowhere near a guarantee.


    Let's get back to the debate now that started this. However you want to filter (education, IQ test, etc.), those voting on something should have a sufficient understanding of it by some standard.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Why do you think that counts as evidence about math being an indicator of IQ?

    Just look at carpenters. There is way, way more math involved in carpentry than sales managing, but the data they are showing indicate a lower range of IQ's for carpenters than sales managers. They actually show carpenters to have the lowest average IQs of all the trades, but they do more math than most trades.

    And more importantly, there was only one group where the 50th percentile of that group fell more than on standard deviation above the mean for IQ. Statistically speaking, we're not talking about the difference between intelligent and unintelligent, we're talking about the difference between the lower end of average and the upper end of average average.

    And medical doctor was the only field that didn't seem to have sub-100 IQ scores associated with it. Further supporting my claim that being good at math =/= intelligent.

    Also I'm sure you understand that correlation =/= causation. You fail to take note of any possible confounds. For example, the jobs aren't really ordered according to math skills nearly as much as they are ordered by the amount of physical labor associated with them. The more physical the job is, the lower the average IQ for the job. Is this because people with low IQ's can't get the less physical jobs? Of course not, there's tons of evidence right there showing that people in those jobs can have low IQs as well.

    Could it be that people with lower IQ's tend to prefer physical jobs while people with high IQ's prefer less physical jobs? Actually, that's very possible.

    I'd say that we should really control for such variables before we make claims like skills in mathematics go "hand in hand" with a pretty good IQ. I'd say that someone with a high IQ is more likely to be good at math than a person with a low IQ, but that's nowhere near a guarantee.


    Democracy is designed to be decided by the people and , unfortunately, the people are generally stupid, or at best, average.
    Now you're just making me laugh, because you have no clue what you're talking about. For example, the math used by a carpenter is kiddy math. Did you notice the word "math" anywhere on the list? (Hint: near the top)
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Now you're just making me laugh, because you have no clue what you're talking about. For example, the math used by a carpenter is kiddy math. Did you notice the word "math" anywhere on the list? (Hint: near the top)
    Wow. Another fine example of over inflated ego.

    Please tell us what math you do, and what you do with it for a career.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They might be a damned sight smarter than the guy with the MD, but they don't have any training.
    I've taught pre-med students, I wouldn't really hold my breath on they being smarter.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Wow. Another fine example of over inflated ego.

    Please tell us what math you do, and what you do with it for a career.
    oh god, you're full of yourself.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    oh god, you're full of yourself.
    Not even close.

    But of course your comment makes no sense in context to what you responded to.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Not even close.

    But of course your comment makes no sense in context to what you responded to.
    Of course it does. Here sits Arbo with his high horse perched up on his soap box, condemning everyone else. "Oh you're just snooty", as if god himself gave you the authority and wisdom to decry your fellow man. "You don't do anything for society", "you don't know anything" "you're pretentious". Sitting there pointing your fingers at everyone because why? They're educated? Get over yourself. Your type of anti-intellectualism is one of the big problems facing our Republic today.

    The more you talk the more I start to think that maybe we really should restrict voting to just the intellectual elite. hahah
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've taught pre-med students, I wouldn't really hold my breath on they being smarter.
    And yet they are the peopel who move on to become MDs. Do they become smarter as a result of their continued education, or are they just as dumb, only less ignroant?
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Now you're just making me laugh, because you have no clue what you're talking about. For example, the math used by a carpenter is kiddy math.
    Instead of laughing, maybe you should take note that I was making a comparison of carpentry to other jobs on the list (the majority of which have no math involved). Did you know reading comprehension skills are also correlated with IQ scores? So should we assume that your sub-par ability to note the presence of a comparison, which is likely to be a product of sub-par reading comprehension skills, is a sign of a lack of intelligence on your part?

    Now, I understand the desire to pretend to be intellectually superior simply due to the fact that one might have a singular talent that is above average or have gotten an education. It's a great way to ignore any intellectual shortcomings one may have in other areas outside of their expertise. Few people are willing to admit that they aren't special, especially people who think their education magically makes them special.

    Did you notice the word "math" anywhere on the list? (Hint: near the top)
    Sure I did. But if you were really being smart about it, you'd have noticed that the median IQ for that group is still within the average IQ range. the majority of people in the field fail to get out of the "high average" range of intelligence. Surely a mathematician would be able to figure out what the overlap means. I mean, a full 50% of carpenters have IQs within the exact same range as 50% of the people in that physical science group (where math was found). It's right there in the numbers and ranges. One group as a whole was toward the bottom, the other was toward teh top. Clearly there are some carpenters who have higher IQs than some people in the physical.

    Hell, almost 25% of people in that physical science group had IQ's under 100. How would that be possible if math skill equaled intelligence?
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not when compared to the total number of votes and when taken in comparison to the overall percentages of the election outcome. Nah.....just shows your racist spouting off is baseless.
    As soon as you start yakking "racist" nobody listens. I think most honest people know that's not debating.

    Stating a fact that 96% of blacks voted for Obama suggests his race had something to do with it. You may not like this fact, but it is what it is.

    Hollaring racist is like yelling fire in a crowded theatre. It should be considered a hate crime.
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