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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Being good at mathematics is merely a sign that a person is good at mathematics, it's not a sign of intelligence. I've actually met a person with an IQ lower than 75 that can probably give you a run for your money at mathematics.
    What definition of intelligence are you using?
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    What definition of intelligence are you using?
    I'm using the definition set forth by IQ tests, for lack of a better more inclusive definition. I figured that would be clear given the fact that I cite a low IQ score as an indicator of a lack of intelligence, despite strong math skills.

    What definition of intelligence are you using?
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Being good at mathematics is merely a sign that a person is good at mathematics, it's not a sign of intelligence. I've actually met a person with an IQ lower than 75 that can probably give you a run for your money at mathematics.
    That, like everything you post is both False AND Fallacious debate.
    ie, High SAT Math scores and math in general would Correlate with IQ.

    Tucker then goes on to use one of the all time classic fallacies, Debate by Anecdote. 'He knows a guy who's good at math but has a lower IQ than 75'.
    Even if true, which is doubtful (or he knows an idiot savant), is a meaningLess claim of probable Exception.

    WICrippler then agrees in moral, if Not intellectual support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker
    I'm using the definition set forth by IQ tests, for lack of a better more inclusive definition. I figured that would be clear given the fact that I cite a low IQ score as an indicator of a lack of intelligence, despite strong math skills.

    What definition of intelligence are you using?
    And thanks for the admission on IQ, it will make my already cued up reply in another string even more poignant.
    Also shows how 'flexible' you are in your attempts at winning a debate.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Is it now?
    Yep.

    I see the rest is just you deflecting from the big ego complex.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Would you prefer a surgeon with a PhD or with a Bachelors?
    Tucker answered it appropriately.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Arbo, would you prefer a surgeon with an MD or one with a bachelor's in medical?
    If they did not have an MD, they could not legally perform surgery on humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I respect people that worked to get a PHD...but some PHDs are fairly worthless...I had a cop working for me that had a PHD in Chinese Philosophy from Univ of Hawaii...I guess he didnt figure on how he was going to fit that in to making a living..
    THe other example I would like to give is Audiologists with PHDs that fit hearing aids...the same thing Audioprostologists have done with a HS education for decades...masters and PHD in hearing aid programming is overkill...
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm using the definition set forth by IQ tests, for lack of a better more inclusive definition. I figured that would be clear given the fact that I cite a low IQ score as an indicator of a lack of intelligence, despite strong math skills.

    What definition of intelligence are you using?
    Skills in mathematics typically go hand in hand with a pretty good IQ.

    http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx

    Let's get back to the debate now that started this. However you want to filter (education, IQ test, etc.), those voting on something should have a sufficient understanding of it by some standard.
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    That, like everything you post is both False AND Fallacious debate.
    when you actually understand what those words mean, I'll believe you when you use them. Now, I expect you to use them accurately in a sentence in order to demonstrate that you know what they mean. Don't just go tossing them around in ignorance of their actual meanings like you normally do.

    High SAT Math scores and math in general would Correlate with IQ.
    whoop de woo.

    Many, many people with high IQ's aren't very good at math and many many people are better at math than they are at IQ tests.

    Tucker then goes on to use one of the all time classic fallacies, debate by anecdote. 'He knows a guy who's good at math but has a lower IQ than 75'.
    Even if true, which is doubtful unless he knows an idiot savant, it's a meaningless claim of probable exception.
    It's autistic savant, not idiot savant.

    And actually that was what the person in question was. And I didn't say I knew him, I said I've met him. If you were even 1/3rd as intelligent as you like to pretend to be, you'd know the difference between "met" and "know".

    And providing an anecdotal example that can be confirmed as something that does, in fact, exist in order to disprove a false assumption being made is not a fallacy, despite your ignorance of what fallacies are.

    See, the assumption is "People who do well on math tests are intelligent". Not likely to be intelligent (which is why your nonsense about correlations is irrelevant) but are intelligent. That's a one to one correlation, and that's just not the case. People do not need a high IQ in order to perform well on math tests. That's a fact, and despite your abuses against the word fallacy, it will always be a fact. That's the great thing about reality, it doesn't give a **** if you agree with it or not.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    And thanks for the admission on IQ, it will make my already cued up reply in another string even more poignant.
    Also shows how 'flexible' you are in your attempts at winning a debate.
    Actually, you are right, but not for the reasons that you think you are.

    I did cite IQ here without noting the problems inherent in that test. Granted, I did say "for lack of a better more inclusive definition", but I suppose you didn't see those words when you purposefully didn't include them in the bolded parts. I'm sure that's honest in your world.


    But I digress. I was citing the test with relation to an autistic savant, and that actually is unfair and intellectually dishonest of me. It's entirely possible that autistic savants have a higher intelligence than what the IQ test can measure, but due to language and social differences they are not able to convey this intelligence in the way that the IQ test measures such things. This is part of the flaws in the test. It was careless of me to cite it as evidence of a lack of intelligence and I hereby retract that statement. Someone with an IQ of 75 might very well be intelligent.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    It's all one big national blow job.

    I'm voting for Dennis Kucinich and all y'all can kiss my Irish-American ass.










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