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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when it comes to things like economics or crime control they tend to reject facts and empirical evidence and go for emotobabbling or "Fairness" in contradiction to what actually works
    Ehh, the vast majority of folks on both sides think they understand economics but they don't. Most ideologues only subscribe to particular talking points perpetrated by their respective sides.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Maybe it's a misunderstanding too, sometimes.

    Free market advocates know markets are more efficient than the state can ever be at allocating resources and services, and they know markets are the way to go when you want to protect private property, so they believe statists don't understand economics.

    While many statists understand that very well, just they don't believe that efficiency, economic performance and protection of private property are always the most desirable goals, because it often yields inhumane results and stands in the way of human welfare.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Maybe it's a misunderstanding too, sometimes.

    Free market advocates know markets are more efficient than the state can ever be at allocating resources and services, and they know markets are the way to go when you want to protect private property, so they believe statists don't understand economics.

    While many statists understand that very well, just they don't believe that efficiency, economic performance and protection of private property are always the most desirable goals, because it often yields inhumane results and stands in the way of human welfare.
    Yeah, i'd agree with that, there seems to be plenty of folks on all sides who generally talk past each other without understanding the other side.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Peta Lindsay and Yari Osorip from the party for Socialism and Liberation. I suppose I will have to write her in.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm setting the level at PhD.
    Ok, so you think people must have a Phd to vote. Great. Now how about answering the second part of the question: How on earth does that mean they know jack **** about government any more than someone without a PhD?
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Ok, so you think people must have a Phd to vote. Great. Now how about answering the second part of the question: How on earth does that mean they know jack **** about government any more than someone without a PhD?
    Those with PhDs are more capable of understanding complex subjects and often are well more motivated to do so than general populace. Yup....PhD's only.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those with PhDs are more capable of understanding complex subjects and often are well more motivated to do so than general populace. Yup....PhD's only.
    Such a ****ing stupid sentiment, and such flawed logic, it's amazing. I suggest you be the first to not be allowed to vote based on this suggestion.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    I don't think anyone is saying you need a PHD to vote but you should not just Vote for someone because you have the same skin color like Blacks did with Hussein Obama...Many knew nothing about the issues and they voted for a man who is totally incompetent...That is the scary part.........

    PS: I gues Ikari is but you know he is not serious....
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't think anyone is saying you need a PHD to vote but you should not just Vote for someone because you have the same skin color like Blacks did with Hussein Obama...Many knew nothing about the issues and they voted for a man who is totally incompetent...That is the scary part.........

    PS: I gues Ikari is but you know he is not serious....
    There were whites too who did NOT vote for Obama because of his skin color.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    There were whites too who did NOT vote for Obama because of his skin color.
    True but not 96% of them......
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