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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Correct, they have not. That's the standard response from those who fail to grasp the concept that voting for the status quo... if they don;t like the status quo... is tacit approval of the status quo. Voting for something or someone you do not approve of is not only insane, it perpetuates the problem. The person who votes for someone they do not really want becomes part of the problem.
    This is exactly the dynamic and why I will not vote for the Republocrats and instead endorse third party candidates.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Yes, because voting the status quo all these years has worked so well for us.
    I cannot fathom how people somehow believe that we can change the status quo through supporting the status quo.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I cannot fathom how people somehow believe that we can change the status quo through supporting the status quo.
    Voting for one of the 'big two' for president is not supporting the status quo. It is picking the lesser of two evils. Which must be done to minimize damage while a third party
    comes up into the system, first locally, state, then into the legislature. They can not just jump in and take the white house. That's crazy talk.

    So once the election results are in, I will know you voted for whoever the winner is, based on throwing away a vote.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Voting for one of the 'big two' for president is not supporting the status quo. It is picking the lesser of two evils. Which must be done to minimize damage while a third party
    comes up into the system, first locally, state, then into the legislature. They can not just jump in and take the white house. That's crazy talk.

    So once the election results are in, I will know you voted for whoever the winner is, based on throwing away a vote.
    The system has been set by those "lesser of two evils" against third party participation. Thus political competition has been stifled. Meanwhile you continue to vote for the party which has driven us to this current spot through decades of rule. I will not have voted for whomever wins, I will have voted for the candidate who best echoes my political beliefs and platforms and the candidate who I feel is the best and most qualified for the position. Not some trite “we have to vote for the lesser of two evils!!” logic. The whole “throw your vote away” mantra is an idiotic argument at best; downright dangerous to the proliferation of the Republic at worse. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

    Now, if you come up with an intelligent argument I may hear you out. But till then, keep the propaganda to yourself.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    OK let it fly:
    With the choices I have, I'm leaning towards neither. Looks like I'll be writing in The Ghost of Theodore Roosevelt this year.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The system has been set by those "lesser of two evils" against third party participation. Thus political competition has been stifled. Meanwhile you continue to vote for the party which has driven us to this current spot through decades of rule. I will not have voted for whomever wins, I will have voted for the candidate who best echoes my political beliefs and platforms and the candidate who I feel is the best and most qualified for the position. Not some trite “we have to vote for the lesser of two evils!!” logic. The whole “throw your vote away” mantra is an idiotic argument at best; downright dangerous to the proliferation of the Republic at worse. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

    Now, if you come up with an intelligent argument I may hear you out. But till then, keep the propaganda to yourself.

    You didn't read a single word I typed, did you?

    For a valid third party to ever have any hopes of changing things, by gaining power, they must start small. All of the 3rd parties out there will NEVER win the office of president until they have a substantial following and have people of that party in government throughout the nation. So yes, until you achieve that, voting for 3rd party candidates at the level of president is wasting your vote. Pure and simple.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You didn't read a single word I typed, did you?
    Can't say it was worth the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    For a valid third party to ever have any hopes of changing things, by gaining power, they must start small. All of the 3rd parties out there will NEVER win the office of president until they have a substantial following and have people of that party in government throughout the nation. So yes, until you achieve that, voting for 3rd party candidates at the level of president is wasting your vote. Pure and simple.
    System is rigged against political competition. You can continue with such ignorant propaganda as "you're throwing your vote away", but I will not support the continued destruction of the Republic. Pure and simple.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Can't say it was worth the time.

    System is rigged against political competition. You can continue with such ignorant propaganda as "you're throwing your vote away", but I will not support the continued destruction of the Republic. Pure and simple.
    By not working to promote a 3rd party and get them to the point of viability, you are supporting the continued destruction of the Republic.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    By not working to promote a 3rd party and get them to the point of viability, you are supporting the continued destruction of the Republic.
    I'm pretty involved in local and grassroots movements to promote 3rd party inclusion into the system. Is there any more foot you'd like to put in your mouth, or are you full?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Neither. I will be voting for Gary Johnson

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