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Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

Who will you vote for in the 2012 Presidential Election?

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ARealConservative said:
I was clearly not clear in my meaning.

by beyond common sense, I meant it is so obvious that you don't even need common sense to accept the premise.

in other words, we agree. sorry for the confusion
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Oh, I see.

Well, sorry on my part as well.
 
Ikari said:
Those with PhDs are more capable of understanding complex subjects and often are well more motivated to do so than general populace. Yup....PhD's only.
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And yet some PhDs are libertarians, so that thrown out the idea they understand politics.





:2razz:
 
Redress said:
And yet some PhDs are libertarians, so that thrown out the idea they understand politics.





:2razz:
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They're the smartest ones of all.
 
disneydude said:
Blacks vote for the party that represents their interests. It is absurd that you keep spouting this racist line.
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Interesting, how exactly does the party they vote for 'represent their interest'? Be careful to not be too racist in answering.

Ikari said:
OK. Do you have a PhD?
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I didn't waste that much time in school just so I could owe for the rest of my life and thus become an snob. But as predicted, you have zilch to put forth that shows someone with a PhD would do a 'better' job at voting than anyone else.

RabidAlpaca said:
At least I vote for the candidate that accurately represents my beliefs.
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Ikari said:
Only if you want the system to work properly.
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Yeah, in the past I voted for Ron Paul. That didn't work out for me. How's 'sticking to your guns' working out for you guys and the candidates you like?

They're the smartest ones of all.
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Kind of reminds me of the reality that if you ever run across someone that brags about being in the special forces, odds are, they are lying. For those that have been there do not brag about it. Same thing with those that brag about being 'smart'.
 
Arbo said:
Yeah, in the past I voted for Ron Paul. That didn't work out for me. How's 'sticking to your guns' working out for you guys and the candidates you like?
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I firmly believe this country is f***'ed no matter what, but at least I will vote for someone who would actually challenge the status-quo if elected. It's not my fault that most of America is largely uneducated about what's actually going on, I've done the best I can.
 
I still hate that the OP didn't include an "Other" option. No way I vote for either of those two clowns.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I firmly believe this country is f***'ed no matter what, but at least I will vote for someone who would actually challenge the status-quo if elected. It's not my fault that most of America is largely uneducated about what's actually going on, I've done the best I can.
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But since there is no chance of that person being elected, they will never bring change.
 
Ikari said:
Those with PhDs are more capable of understanding complex subjects and often are well more motivated to do so than general populace. Yup....PhD's only.
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This statement should be taken seriously. I hate democracy in most scenarios because it is illogical to have someone voting on something they know little/nothing about.

Arbo said:
Such a ****ing stupid sentiment, and such flawed logic, it's amazing. I suggest you be the first to not be allowed to vote based on this suggestion.
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This is one ignorant and immature reaction. I'd like to hear your argument as to why the suggestion was illogical.

Arbo said:
Ok, so you think people must have a Phd to vote. Great. Now how about answering the second part of the question: How on earth does that mean they know jack **** about government any more than someone without a PhD?
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Think for just two seconds....
A person capable and hard working enough to earn a PhD stands a much better chance at understanding the government (or particular parts of it) than someone with a lesser education. It's better to filter the candidates a little too harshly than to let decisions be swayed by people who aren't too educated. On a similar note, I think you should need higher education to be on a jury.

Arbo said:
I didn't waste that much time in school just so I could owe for the rest of my life and thus become an snob. But as predicted, you have zilch to put forth that shows someone with a PhD would do a 'better' job at voting than anyone else.

Kind of reminds me of the reality that if you ever run across someone that brags about being in the special forces, odds are, they are lying. For those that have been there do not brag about it. Same thing with those that brag about being 'smart'.
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You come across as lazy and jealous.
 
Mathematician said:
This is one ignorant and immature reaction. I'd like to hear your argument as to why the suggestion was illogical.

You come across as lazy and jealous.
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Because earning a degree does not mean one has intelligence. It means they could follow guidance and do the work. Yes, I know most 'highly' educated people disagree, but some of the dumbest people I have met are 'highly' educated.

If there was a test on and about government, that would be one thing. But a degree doesn't mean the person knows anything about government, or that they have the inclination to learn or even care about it.

Lazy and jealous? Whatever, you come across as one of those snotty ********.
 
Arbo said:
Because earning a degree does not mean one has intelligence. It means they could follow guidance and do the work. Yes, I know most 'highly' educated people disagree, but some of the dumbest people I have met are 'highly' educated.

If there was a test on and about government, that would be one thing. But a degree doesn't mean the person knows anything about government, or that they have the inclination to learn or even care about it.

Lazy and jealous? Whatever, you come across as one of those snotty ********.
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I have met dozens of PhDs who were completely clueless about the real world.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have met dozens of PhDs who were completely clueless about the real world.
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Exactly. But watch as those sort of people come and raise hell and scream about that not being the case. It's gonna be a riot.
 
Arbo said:
Because earning a degree does not mean one has intelligence. It means they could follow guidance and do the work. Yes, I know most 'highly' educated people disagree, but some of the dumbest people I have met are 'highly' educated.

If there was a test on and about government, that would be one thing. But a degree doesn't mean the person knows anything about government, or that they have the inclination to learn or even care about it.

Lazy and jealous? Whatever, you come across as one of those snotty ********.
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I'm glad you think a PhD is awarded just for "following guidance".
 
Tell you who im not voting for...Paul Ryan or Turtledude...one does 400.00 bottles of WINE...the other just WHINES :)
 
Mathematician said:
I'm glad you think a PhD is awarded just for "following guidance".
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I will assume you are one of the snotty people that actually think a PhD means 'intelligence', and that's the end of the story.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The GOP of today is having an identity crisis of epic proportions. It is being pushed incredibly right.

With the Religious right, the Libertarians, the birther wing (crazies) and the moderates all wanting to kill eachother, it's amazing the GOP is still in tact.

But if they lose this election, the Right Wing will split.
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I agree that they will feel lost for a long time but I am not sure if the party will split. I don't see that coming, but they kind of deserve a swift kick in the ass. I used to like the GOP. But the fact that their strategy was to do nothing at all and just block everything Obama did, was a selfish, Anti American political position. Though seeing them suddenly love the Constitution despite their silence when GW said it was "just a piece of paper" was king of amusing.
 
I have to admit again im am surprised the way this vote is going...I would have expected it to be the opposite...proves how wrong perceptions can be...I percieved there were more conservatives on the board...
 
lpast said:
I have to admit again im am surprised the way this vote is going...I would have expected it to be the opposite...proves how wrong perceptions can be...I percieved there were more conservatives on the board...
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There are a lot of moderates
 
Rapunzel52 said:
Wow...59% to 40% Ubama. Can't believe this many people would actually consider voting for him again.
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The real story is how many who have voted Republican in the past will sit this one out or vote third party.

It would have been interesting if this poll had an option for a third party vote.
 
Arbo said:
But since there is no chance of that person being elected, they will never bring change.
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That right there is a fundamental flaw in logic. I am not simply concerned with this election, I am concerned with long term effects. When I vote for who represents me best, regardless of their chances of winning, it gives that party more attention in future campaigns. Right now our idiotic media provides zero attention to anyone but the childish GOP and Democrats who are like children in a mud fight. The higher the percentage of the population who is tired of these clowns, the more attention they can receive, and the less ignorant Americans can remain to the real issues.

When I vote for the Libertarian party, my vote doesn't die at this election, it continues on to further my ideals. I consider this a much better alternative than voting for Bush 2.0 or Lenin 2.0.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That right there is a fundamental flaw in logic. I am not simply concerned with this election, I am concerned with long term effects. When I vote for who represents me best, regardless of their chances of winning, it gives that party more attention in future campaigns. Right now our idiotic media provides zero attention to anyone but the childish GOP and Democrats who are like children in a mud fight. The higher the percentage of the population who is tired of these clowns, the more attention they can receive, and the less ignorant Americans can remain to the real issues.

When I vote for the Libertarian party, my vote doesn't die at this election, it continues on to further my ideals. I consider this a much better alternative than voting for Bush 2.0 or Lenin 2.0.
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Waiting for a perfect candidate to lead us to libertarian utopia?
 
Catawba said:
Waiting for a perfect candidate to lead us to libertarian utopia?
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Or, as I explained, I'm voting for candidates who accurately represent my beliefs, and not voting for those who don't. I'm sure Obama is your savior leading you to a liberal utopia, so you must know how I feel then?
 
Arbo said:
I didn't waste that much time in school just so I could owe for the rest of my life and thus become an snob. But as predicted, you have zilch to put forth that shows someone with a PhD would do a 'better' job at voting than anyone else.
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I was willing to listen to your arguments, but you have to have a PhD to lodge a complaint.


Arbo said:
Yeah, in the past I voted for Ron Paul. That didn't work out for me. How's 'sticking to your guns' working out for you guys and the candidates you like?
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It'll work better once we remove the stupid people.

Arbo said:
Kind of reminds me of the reality that if you ever run across someone that brags about being in the special forces, odds are, they are lying. For those that have been there do not brag about it. Same thing with those that brag about being 'smart'.
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Yeah, sometimes they are lying. Other times, they aren't. I'm not. Sorry kid, you're not in my league.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have met dozens of PhDs who were completely clueless about the real world.
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I've met hundreds...thousands, of people without PhDs who were completely clueless. Who is more likely to be clueless? The under educated or the over educated?
 
Arbo said:
I will assume you are one of the snotty people that actually think a PhD means 'intelligence', and that's the end of the story.
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Do you realize how hilarious this is? You assume they are one of the "snotty" people. Comeon, try to use your brain here. You're throwing his arguments out because you're making an assumption that would allow you to throw out the arguments. You just want to throw away the argument because you don't want to entertain it so you've made up complete horse **** here to make some excuse to throw away an argument. Pathetic.

I think perchance you are just insecure and lashing out against those whom have proven their intellectual worth. It's not being "snotty", it's just a statement of fact. Some people are great athletes, some are great bosses, some are great thinkers. If Pavel Datsyuk came up to me and said "I'm a better athlete than you, sorry you're not in my league"; that's not him being snotty, that's a statement of fact.
 
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