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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How so?
    He's conservative and looks like he's going to be the nominee.

    That's "Far right whacko" in the hyper partisan definition of Disney.

    I'd welcome him to actually define what makes one a "far right whacko" rather than someone whose simply "Right".

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He's conservative and looks like he's going to be the nominee.

    That's "Far right whacko" in the hyper partisan definition of Disney.

    I'd welcome him to actually define what makes one a "far right whacko" rather than someone whose simply "Right".
    A far right wacko is one to the right of Lenin.

    Take your pick which Lenin.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Shhhhh, Disney likes to proclaim Goldwater as some great Conservative he has respect for and likes and would've supported......because he's long gone, a far past figure to many, and there's no hope of Disney ever actually having to be tested on his claims. Its his pathetic little misrepresented shield of "see, see, I'm not a hyper partisan liberal!" that fails laughably every time because....well....we can read what he writes.

    Save for the most hyper partisan of conservatives you don't even see people calling Ron Paul "liberal". Some of his stances? Sure. But by and large the majority of the GOP don't call him a "liberal" and you're spot on in regards to that being the modern day person Goldwater would likely be closest to fiscally right now on the national scene.
    Just to correct you Zyph....I've never said that I supported Goldwater or would have ever voted for him. I most likely would NOT have and you know that I've said that before, so please don't mischaracterize me in order to try to "score points". What I have said is that I respect Goldwater because he truly was a man of conservative principles. He truly believed in small government (something that I personally do not) and small government is what true conservatism is about. Todays GOP claims to be about small government when in fact their policies are for everything but small government. I hope that this sets the record straight.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is because Clinton was a very centrist president. One of the things he did to piss off republicans was to take their ideas and push for them. NAFTA springs to mind...

    And the republicans are way to the right of Reagan. Reagan would be hard pressed to pass any republican purity test they have suggested.
    Clinton's Presidency, specifically his second half, was Left Leaning Centrist.

    Reagan's Presidency was definitely solidly conservative, though would be considered moderately conservative if picked up and dropped point for point into the modern era.

    Clinton HIMSELF however was and is clearly a solid to strong liberal and Reagan himself ideologically was absolutely a solid to strong Conservative.

    There is a difference between what an individuals views/thoughts/ideology is and how they govern based on the issues in front of them. Clinton's personal views, for people who listen to him talk, listen to his hopes and desires prior to election, his view on things post presidency, etc was hardly a "centrist". Reagan would hardly be someone you could call moderate either in terms of his actuals views. But the situations politically both found themselves in led their Presidencies to look differently then they themselves may be.

    REAGAN would not have issues passing republican purity tests today, Reagan's 1980's PRESIDENCY dropped uncontextually into the modern day would have issues.

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He's conservative and looks like he's going to be the nominee.

    That's "Far right whacko" in the hyper partisan definition of Disney.

    I'd welcome him to actually define what makes one a "far right whacko" rather than someone whose simply "Right".
    Easy.

    Conservative (or to the right) would be someone who supports small government. Limited government involvement in social programs and government involvement in individual lives.

    Right-wing wacko - Those who try to appease the evangelical base of the party by promising to advance their right-wing social agenda, advancing "Christianity" over other religions, seeking to actively pack the Supreme Court with activist judges that will further advance the anti-gay, anti-choice, pro-corporation/anti-worker, anti-civil rights social agenda of the right wing.

    That help?
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Clinton's Presidency, specifically his second half, was Left Leaning Centrist.

    Reagan's Presidency was definitely solidly conservative, though would be considered moderately conservative if picked up and dropped point for point into the modern era.

    Clinton HIMSELF however was and is clearly a solid to strong liberal and Reagan himself ideologically was absolutely a solid to strong Conservative.

    There is a difference between what an individuals views/thoughts/ideology is and how they govern based on the issues in front of them. Clinton's personal views, for people who listen to him talk, listen to his hopes and desires prior to election, his view on things post presidency, etc was hardly a "centrist". Reagan would hardly be someone you could call moderate either in terms of his actuals views. But the situations politically both found themselves in led their Presidencies to look differently then they themselves may be.

    REAGAN would not have issues passing republican purity tests today, Reagan's 1980's PRESIDENCY dropped uncontextually into the modern day would have issues.
    Yes, I was referring to what they did, not where they stood. Applying that to Romney and Obama yields interesting results.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Clinton's Presidency, specifically his second half, was Left Leaning Centrist.

    Reagan's Presidency was definitely solidly conservative, though would be considered moderately conservative if picked up and dropped point for point into the modern era.

    Clinton HIMSELF however was and is clearly a solid to strong liberal and Reagan himself ideologically was absolutely a solid to strong Conservative.

    There is a difference between what an individuals views/thoughts/ideology is and how they govern based on the issues in front of them. Clinton's personal views, for people who listen to him talk, listen to his hopes and desires prior to election, his view on things post presidency, etc was hardly a "centrist". Reagan would hardly be someone you could call moderate either in terms of his actuals views. But the situations politically both found themselves in led their Presidencies to look differently then they themselves may be.

    REAGAN would not have issues passing republican purity tests today, Reagan's 1980's PRESIDENCY dropped uncontextually into the modern day would have issues.
    Here we go again.....with the Zyphlin spin.... How can you NOT judge Reagan by today's standards if you are attempting to look at how Reagan's policies square with the GOP's policies of today?

    The bottom line is: Judging Reagan's Presidency by todays far-right GOP, Reagan would have been drummed out of the party. Simple as that.
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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, I was referring to what they did, not where they stood. Applying that to Romney and Obama yields interesting results.
    George W. Bush as well.

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Here we go again.....with the Zyphlin spin.... How can you NOT judge Reagan by today's standards if you are attempting to look at how Reagan's policies square with the GOP's policies of today?

    The bottom line is: Judging Reagan's Presidency by todays far-right GOP, Reagan would have been drummed out of the party. Simple as that.
    Actually, considering the past two Republican candidates have been McCain and likely Romney...I think your comment is rather idiotic as even judging Reagan's Presidency honestly and ignoring context, it still wouldn't be much more questionable than McCain's history or Romney's.

    Not to mention, any politician trying to run for President and take actions in 2012 in the same fashion as in 1980 SHOULD be drummed out of the party because they'd be suffering from the same delusional notion that many liberals do when arguing about Reagan....that somehow the political climate and situation is the same now as it was in 1980.

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    Re: Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

    Well, I *support* Obama in the 2012 election. But it's hard to say at this point whether I'll actually *vote* for him, or just not vote at all. It's not like he needs my vote to win the District of Columbia anyway.
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