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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    A mechanism in place to prevent the insanely rich from becoming incomprehensibly rich? Just who will bell this cat? The incredibly rich can avoid, dilute, flat out kill any bills a mere nation can attempt to bring up for passage. I am thinking there is a reason why the over the top rich have maintained their power base over the years.

    Bottom line- unless the cat likes bells you are not going to get it to wear one if you are one of the mice. Care for some cheese?

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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Welcome to the "free market" intertwined with some sick capitalist-corporatism...
    Apparently, you do not realize that everything that makes your life better, happier, healthier, safer, easier and more productive is the result of "capitalist-corporatism".

    If you have failed to realize any of these benefits, it can only be your own fault for not taking advantage of the opportunities afforded you__In other words, you're a loser.
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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    What exactly is the Bilderberg group guilty of? How is the Bilderberg group tied to Capitalism? I wouldnt say that the Bilderberg group was not really a product of Capitalism, it would be more accurate to say that it is a result of freedom. Without the freedom to gather no such group could exist.

    When one actually looks at the List of Bilderberg participants one must wonder where these conspiracies come from. Interestingly neither Bush or Reagan were participants of the Bilderberg group, But Bill Clinton was. Geir Lundestad the Director of the Norwegian Nobel institute and Secretary to The Nobel Peace Prize Committee was a participate in 2005.

    IMO conspiracy theorists have spread so many lies about the Bilderberg group that most people have no clue what exactly it is that they do and who the participants are. Which I find it entertaining that Leftists jump on the conspiracy bandwagon so easily. Between the bilderberg and 9/11 conspiracies it is quit entertaining to watch two otherwise separate polarisations share ideas.
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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    So what you are saying is that the Bilderbergs are a product of capitalism, for which I agree, and any other system would render them obsolete__I ask you, could another system manage the world's economy as efficiently and productively as the Bilderbergs?
    There is always room for improvement. Just as there is always room for more corruption. Could another system render them obsolete? Possible. But doubtful. At least not while Capitalism and money hold sway for the simple fact that money is currently the end all be all of our society. I don't believe that a government agency would "do better". It would just be open to corruption and as such the "Bilderberg's" of the world would just be in charge again. As they say...money talks.
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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Apparently, you do not realize that everything that makes your life better, happier, healthier, safer, easier and more productive is the result of "capitalist-corporatism".
    I think everything that made my life "better" would be the human innovation sprung on by human instinct of innovation and pursuit of knowledge..


    If you have failed to realize any of these benefits,
    Sure can realize these benefits.

    it can only be your own fault for not taking advantage of the opportunities afforded you__
    Right.................


    In other words, you're a loser.
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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    The Bilderberg's Steering Committee decides who get's invited to their annual conference according to what's going on in the world which determines their issues and agenda.

    This Steering Committee is the Bilderbergs__The people who get invited to the conferences (Bilderberg Participants) are not necessarily members of the Bilderberg Group.

    These "Participants" may only be invited one time, a few times or for many years according to the Bilderberg agenda__Their only common denominator is, they are the world's elite.

    It has also been reported that "The group is composed entirely of Western elites, and no Asian, Middle Eastern, Latin American or African individual has ever been invited".Bilderberg - Powerbase

    As far as I know, these 35 people are presently the primary players.
    Steering Committee | Bilderberg Meetings
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    Chairman and CEO, AXA Group

    DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
    GBR Agius, Marcus Chairman, Barclays plc
    USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
    PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto President and CEO, IMPRESA; Former Prime Minister
    FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
    ITA Bernabè, Franco Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia
    ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País
    CAN Clark, W. Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Group
    GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice
    BEL Davignon, Etienne Minister of State
    DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus
    DNK Federspiel, Ulrik Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S
    NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Public Economics, Leiden University
    USA Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard
    USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
    GBR Kerr, John Independent Member, House of Lords
    USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
    TUR Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
    USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
    USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    ITA Monti, Mario Prime Minister and Minister of Economy and Finance
    USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
    NOR Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA
    DEU Nass, Matthias Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit
    FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc
    USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
    CAN Reisman, Heather CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
    AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
    IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
    USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital
    GRC Tsoukalis, Loukas President, ELIAMEP
    CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman, Novartis AG
    SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB

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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That is probably correct. The danger is that in the past, that class has amassed too much control over the worlds money supply leaving it subject to boom and bust cycles
    These cycles become more and more extreme and it eventually will plunge the world into another Great Depression if it is not controlled. Maldistribution of wealth was a major cause of the Great Depression and we are closer to those levels every day.
    Quite possible...
    This can be off-set by a proper and enforced tax of the wealthy (aka fair tax) and a strong middle class.
    Today, we have neither, and if the wealthy conservatives take over, we will never have this.

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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Apparently, you do not realize that everything that makes your life better, happier, healthier, safer, easier and more productive is the result of "capitalist-corporatism".

    If you have failed to realize any of these benefits, it can only be your own fault for not taking advantage of the opportunities afforded you__In other words, you're a loser.
    A bit nasty.
    Un-necessary, IMO.
    And I do NOT believe that first sentence...(conservative lies)
    Capitalism and gambling are too similar...
    Thank God for Social Security.
    I have both won and lost in the "capitalist market".

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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    One of the truths of the last century is the almost total irrelevance of massive concentrations of personal wealth to modern economies. Progress has come from public educational institutions, government funded research and technical development, government spending on health care and institutions dedicated to sanitation codes and prevention of epidemics, training of medical workers, etc. A few billionaires are technical innovators, but are protected by patent laws and the like, also government functions, but those in the 'financial' sector are just parasitic and useless, and are in the process of reducing modern economies to ruin, through corruption and swindling. Few of them are really 'capitalists', they neither create new capital or new business ventures; they just bleed off those already existing, and saddle them with unsustainable debt, like Mitt Romney and the LBO schemers, for instance, There are few, minor capitalists who do create a few jobs, start up businesses that employ people, but not many, and they're usually under-capitalized, and if their business is even remotely viable they will merely be squeezed out by the parasitic types.

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    Re: Are these people necessary to a 21st century global economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    What exactly is the Bilderberg group guilty of? How is the Bilderberg group tied to Capitalism? I wouldnt say that the Bilderberg group was not really a product of Capitalism, it would be more accurate to say that it is a result of freedom. Without the freedom to gather no such group could exist.

    When one actually looks at the List of Bilderberg participants one must wonder where these conspiracies come from. Interestingly neither Bush or Reagan were participants of the Bilderberg group, But Bill Clinton was. Geir Lundestad the Director of the Norwegian Nobel institute and Secretary to The Nobel Peace Prize Committee was a participate in 2005.

    IMO conspiracy theorists have spread so many lies about the Bilderberg group that most people have no clue what exactly it is that they do and who the participants are. Which I find it entertaining that Leftists jump on the conspiracy bandwagon so easily. Between the bilderberg and 9/11 conspiracies it is quit entertaining to watch two otherwise separate polarisations share ideas.
    Well, if the American Mafia could have a national 'Commission' for resolving disputes, so can a lot of special interest groups. Just because Mafia families fought with each other doesn't mean the Mafia didn't exist and wasn't a conspiracy. Other International organized crime syndicates can certainly do the same thing, form little front groups to iron out conflicts and arrange cooperative deals where common ground can be reached, like labor racketeering partnerships between capitalists and Red China, for instance, or faux 'Free Trade' scams like NAFTA, etc. You may find them 'entertaining', but those of us who have seen the very real results of some of these 'conspiracies' first hand, as in piles of bodies and massive destruction, people falling dead in emergency rooms, starvation, etc., don't find them 'entertaining' at all.

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