Do people not care about Black on White Crime?

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So, after the whole Trayvon media mess, and this current spate of killings of Tulsa where they're saying it was a white guy in a white pickup truck, we all know any white crimes committed against blacks will get huge media time for racism. But how come the reverse does not apply? It seems to me that crimes with black perps and white victims doesn't get nearly the media time. Such as these stories I've linked to, they seem plenty awful and racist to boot, but didn't get 10% the media time Travyon is getting. So my poll--in your opinions, does the media and the USA in general not care about black on white crime as much as white on black?

Along with the point of George Zimmerman--who looks hispanic to anyone with eyes--now being called a 'White Hispanic' since he has a white parent. Shouldn't President Obama be a 'White African American' by that standard?

That, and interesting article. http://www.examiner.com/political-b...links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

Whenever the media focuses on a single crime, like Trayvon Martin or the pretty little white girl whos been kidnapped, lots of people ask "Hey the victim is "X" race, why doesn't the media ever care about "Y" race?

The simple fact is this:

1) It's not about race its about rating, no news agency is motivated directly the race of the criminal or the victim, they are motivated by what stories will get more ratings.

2) There are so many crimes that happen in the US that its impossible to cover them all, so you can always complain that someone or something is being left out. And again going back to ratings its not good to have two crime stories running at the same time, its redundant, gets boring and confusing.

So stop being the victim of a made up problem

True, it's quite a bit about media, except for the fact that when law enforcement agencies go with the current attitudes and quickly label things hate crimes when committed against blacks, but are reluctant to do the same for crimes committed against whites, that means that blacks are getting extra legal protection via stiffer penalties when whites commit crimes against them compared to vice versa. Violates equal protection under the law.

Are you kidding me! They are only their favorite type of crime! Have you not watched any evening news in a major city?

Vincent said:

True, it's quite a bit about media, except for the fact that when law enforcement agencies go with the current attitudes and quickly label things hate crimes when committed against blacks, but are reluctant to do the same for crimes committed against whites, that means that blacks are getting extra legal protection via stiffer penalties when whites commit crimes against them compared to vice versa. Violates equal protection under the law.

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Got any real data? Or just a "fact" you've made it up because its required for your argument but has no backing?

It's not about race its about rating, no news agency is motivated directly the race of the criminal or the victim, they are motivated by what stories will get more ratings.

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Ah, but it IS about race. To think otherwise is like having one's head stuck in the sand. It might be politically incorrect to say it out loud, but since when have I ever been pc? News focuses on white on black crimes. Don't ask me why because I have no clue. We see it every day. Or at least, I do. Yahoo, aol, huffington post, tv. The news wants stories for hit counts...and white on black IS hit counts. So why is that not considered "race motivation"?

Enola said:

Ah, but it IS about race. To think otherwise is like having one's head stuck in the sand. It might be politically incorrect to say it out loud, but since when have I ever been pc? News focuses on white on black crimes. Don't ask me why because I have no clue. We see it every day. Or at least, I do. Yahoo, aol, huffington post, tv. The news wants stories for hit counts...and white on black IS hit counts. So why is that not considered "race motivation"?

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So the media is bias towards white on black crimes in your opinion, but you have no idea why and have no data except for personal anecdote. Pardon me if I don't take your opinion seriously.

Wiseone said:

So the media is bias towards white on black crimes in your opinion, but you have no idea why and have no data except for personal anecdote. Pardon me if I don't take your opinion seriously.

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Sigh. I know this is Debate Politics, but I don't debate. I give my opinion. And my opinion was stated. Pardon me if I don't give a rat's behind whether you take my opinion seriously.

Does the media not care about black on white crime?

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Umm, watch any local newscast. Or any cop show. They're ALL about the scary black man who is coming for your white daughters. This mindset is literally so pervasive in our society that people don't even notice it anymore, as the existence of this thread proves.

Kandahar said:

Umm, watch any local newscast. Or any cop show. They're ALL about the scary black man who is coming for your white daughters. This mindset is literally so pervasive in our society that people don't even notice it anymore, as the existence of this thread proves.

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Actually the cop shows typically show crimes being commited by people of same races against each other.

Kandahar said:

Umm, watch any local newscast. Or any cop show. They're ALL about the scary black man who is coming for your white daughters. This mindset is literally so pervasive in our society that people don't even notice it anymore, as the existence of this thread proves.

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I'd say the real truth lies somewhere between your contention and the OP's. There is certainly news coverage of black on white crime (although the reaction usually differs greatly as opposed to when the white individual is the aggressor), but it's not as severe or prevalent as you would like to suggest either.

What difference does it make either way? Crime is crime? Assault is assault and battery is battery. I don't know why people want to trust the media to be objective.

Their may have been a time when the media was objective, but nowadays it is all about ratings and money or a political agenda, period. They hype story's to piss people off on purpose and don't even bother to try and be objective anymore.

Vincent said:

and this current spate of killings of Tulsa where they're saying it was a white guy in a white pickup truck,

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"Current spate" would indicate more than one. Maybe they're concentrating on a mass murderer and trying to tell people what to be careful of so they don't get killed. But sure, it's because he's white.

Along with the point of George Zimmerman--who looks hispanic to anyone with eyes--now being called a 'White Hispanic' since he has a white parent. Shouldn't President Obama be a 'White African American' by that standard?

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Pay attention. Cons have been saying all over this board that "Hispanic is not a race." Then this comes up and suddenly it is. Hispanics come in different races -- a black guy from Cuba and a mestizo from Mexico are not the same race, but they are both hispanic. I also believe in Zimmerman's case that he's half-Jewish.

rocket88 said:

"Current spate" would indicate more than one. Maybe they're concentrating on a mass murderer and trying to tell people what to be careful of so they don't get killed. But sure, it's because he's white.

Pay attention. Cons have been saying all over this board that "Hispanic is not a race." Then this comes up and suddenly it is. Hispanics come in different races -- a black guy from Cuba and a mestizo from Mexico are not the same race, but they are both hispanic. I also believe in Zimmerman's case that he's half-Jewish.

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Just for the record, Jewish is not a race. Although the United States Supreme Court ruled in the '80's that Jews would be treated as a race for discrimination purposes, it is a religion - and a culture.

Has there ever been a black that killed a white charged with a hate crime? I looked and all I could find was this. They are thinking about calling this a hate crime but if it was 6 white men calling a black guy racially charged names before they kicked the crap out of him it would be not only a hate crime but all over the news.

SENECA, S.C. (AP) — Police have charged six black men with beating a white man outside a Seneca restaurant and have sent information about the attack to the FBI to determine if hate crime charges should also be filed.

Authorities say the victim told investigators that a group of men called him racially charged names as he walked to his vehicle in the parking lot March 17.


6 men charged in beating; hate crime possible | ABC Columbia | Local News

Vincent said:

Teens set kid on fire for being 'white boy' - New York Daily News

'Beat Whitey Night': Racism suspected in Iowa State Fair attacks | ksdk.com

Report: Black Mobs Attack Whites Outside Wisconsin State Fair | Video | TheBlaze.com

So, after the whole Trayvon media mess, and this current spate of killings of Tulsa where they're saying it was a white guy in a white pickup truck, we all know any white crimes committed against blacks will get huge media time for racism. But how come the reverse does not apply? It seems to me that crimes with black perps and white victims doesn't get nearly the media time. Such as these stories I've linked to, they seem plenty awful and racist to boot, but didn't get 10% the media time Travyon is getting. So my poll--in your opinions, does the media and the USA in general not care about black on white crime as much as white on black?

Along with the point of George Zimmerman--who looks hispanic to anyone with eyes--now being called a 'White Hispanic' since he has a white parent. Shouldn't President Obama be a 'White African American' by that standard?

That, and interesting article. Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas. - Lafayette Political Buzz | Examiner.com

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I can't remember the last time I read anything about a black person killing a white person.

It happens, of course, but it's not covered from the same sensationalist standpoint.

I think this thread is an excellent example of a preconceived notion looking for validation.

The Wisconsin black on white attacks got good coverage in Philly but a bare mention in much whiter Oklahoma.

The Tulsa spree now has two whites in jail with the cops saying they are investigating them for hate crimes. But this so far hasn't gotten the same coverage as the Florida shooting where the killer walked free.

I'd opine there are too many factors to include sadly enough what else is happening in the world that day to make blanket statements about the media's coverage of crime.

It might say a lot more about those who make the blanket statements.

notquiteright said:

I think this thread is an excellent example of a preconceived notion looking for validation.

The Wisconsin black on white attacks got good coverage in Philly but a bare mention in much whiter Oklahoma.

The Tulsa spree now has two whites in jail with the cops saying they are investigating them for hate crimes. But this so far hasn't gotten the same coverage as the Florida shooting where the killer walked free.

I'd opine there are too many factors to include sadly enough what else is happening in the world that day to make blanket statements about the media's coverage of crime.

It might say a lot more about those who make the blanket statements.

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Anybody that claims white on black crime doesn't get more news coverage than black on white crime probably sees no left wing bias in the media either.

Kandahar said:

Umm, watch any local newscast. Or any cop show. They're ALL about the scary black man who is coming for your white daughters. This mindset is literally so pervasive in our society that people don't even notice it anymore, as the existence of this thread proves.

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Actually, from newscasts the mindset is "Be afraid of everybody else. Watch our show (and the commercials within them) to find out why!"

MaggieD said:

I can't remember the last time I read anything about a black person killing a white person.

It happens, of course, but it's not covered from the same sensationalist standpoint.

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It probably depends on where you live, and which type of news you listen to.

WI Crippler said:

Actually the cop shows typically show crimes being commited by people of same races against each other.

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Crime and poverty are color blind.

Vincent said:

Teens set kid on fire for being 'white boy' - New York Daily News

'Beat Whitey Night': Racism suspected in Iowa State Fair attacks | ksdk.com

Report: Black Mobs Attack Whites Outside Wisconsin State Fair | Video | TheBlaze.com

So, after the whole Trayvon media mess, and this current spate of killings of Tulsa where they're saying it was a white guy in a white pickup truck, we all know any white crimes committed against blacks will get huge media time for racism. But how come the reverse does not apply? It seems to me that crimes with black perps and white victims doesn't get nearly the media time. Such as these stories I've linked to, they seem plenty awful and racist to boot, but didn't get 10% the media time Travyon is getting. So my poll--in your opinions, does the media and the USA in general not care about black on white crime as much as white on black?

Along with the point of George Zimmerman--who looks hispanic to anyone with eyes--now being called a 'White Hispanic' since he has a white parent. Shouldn't President Obama be a 'White African American' by that standard?

That, and interesting article. Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas. - Lafayette Political Buzz | Examiner.com

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The Martin story would not have become such a big deal in the first place if the police arrested and charged Zimmerman. Along with these black-on-white crimes, there are many other real hate crime with white perpetrators and black victims which never get the coverage of the Martin story. For example: Three men plead guilty to federal hate crimes in Mississippi killing - CNN.com

The race angle emerged because it was a storyline that seems to get overreaction from both sides. The real story ought to be about the stand your ground law, not on any particular individual, it's a stupid law. At what point do you differentiate between an aggressor and self-defense? Once the aggression has taken place, they were both defending themselves. If Martin had killed Zimmerman instead, he could legitimately claim to be threatened from being followed by a stranger, would he have gotten the same protection from the law that Zimmerman did? Should we even want that?

Wiseone said:

1) It's not about race its about rating, no news agency is motivated directly the race of the criminal or the victim, they are motivated by what stories will get more ratings.

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And those cases where they can stir up a controversy are the ones that get higher ratings. Certainly race matters in reporting, that's why the media makes a big deal about race, why they immediately run off to interview the race-baiters like Sharpton and Jackson, etc. They're playing the race card so they can get higher ratings and for no other reason.

I always laugh at white people complaining about crimes committed against them not getting fair coverage. Lol. C'mon white people. You guys get a missing white girl plastered on my TV every 2-3 weeks. Not just a missing white girl, but an all American missing white girl I'm supposed to care about. Show me a single dead black woman who is within 1000 news articles of all the articles written about Natalie Holloway and I'll give a corresponding donation to the forum.

Seriously white people who complain about "black on white crimes" or whatever bitching it is you're doing about crimes committed against whites. **** off. Let us have our token moment. You guys can have the rest of the decade to come up with blond missing/dead white kids the rest of the country is supposed to care about.

That little Toddler in Tiara kid Jean Bennett Ramsey cast away died like 15 years ago and we're STILL talking about her as if she was some sort of celebrity. When's the last time a dead little black girl made those kind of headlines? I don't know. I don't think I've been alive long enough to see it happen. Then again I'm pretty young. When's the last a black toddler killed in a drive by shooting got 6 months of press coverage trying to investigate who the killer may have been? Never. They get some mention in local news and then it's moving on with little care for whether the police find the killer. So with all that said, forgive me for not feeling all that bad about the media passing over certain stories concerning "black on white" crimes.

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Well I had a conservative friend from work try to throw that to black boys burning a white boy alive thing in my face, and I said no I haven't heard about it, he claimed a radio show said it recently happened. Then I asked my wife about it and she said it was all over the news......a year ago. So my point is, we do indeed hear about black on white crime and vice versa, its just, the tv fingerbangs our eyes with so much colors and data that we forget most of it 6 months later. I guarantee most of you forget about this 6 months from now as well.