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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star
    Or people who actually give a damn about the well being of the victim.
    Wonderful reasoning. So at what point is she not a victim anymore?

    If she goes out and steals a car a year later, can she scream, "I was raped last year!" and be considered a victim?

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Wonderful reasoning. So at what point is she not a victim anymore?

    If she goes out and steals a car a year later, can she scream, "I was raped last year!" and be considered a victim?
    How is stealing a car remotely comparable to not wanting to testify in front of a court about her being raped? She has not been convicted or charged with ANY crime, she is just being held to make sure she can't avoid telling the entire world about how she was violated, while her alleged attacker sits ten feet away from her.
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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    At first glance I thought this was in a ME country, as I didn't know this could even be legal! This guy appears to be a nazi. I hope the victim isn't black, that's all we need right now!


    Alleged Rape Victim Jailed: Calif. Teen Held In Custody To Ensure Testimony In Frank Rackley Trial
    I picked other.If anyone ignores a subpoena to appear in court then they should be jailed.It shouldn't matter if the person who is served a subpoena is an alleged victim or not.
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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    She's a mentally unstable rape victim, and you want to put her in prison? You might as well give her a gun.
    I know you didn't intend to, but unless you are privvy to info about this person's mental state that the rest of us aren't, you've done a tremendous disservice to women everywhere by suggesting that being raped necessarily makes one unstable.

    This just isn't so.

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    A couple of things. Firstly, it is true, as far as I know, that if someone is subpenaed to appear in court, and they refuse, they can be jailed. In this particular case, since I believe that a judge would have some latitude, other arrangements should have been made. As has been stated before, this sends a bad message to rape victims. There is always fear of testifying in cases such as this, often because of the trauma, the reliving of the experience, and the need to explore the victim's personal life. This also goes to the mental state of the victim, also discussed here. The term "unstable" is probably not the term I would have used; it indicates a non-functioning severity. I would imagine that most, if not all victims of rape experience trauma and some form of PTSD. The fear from this trauma can certainly impact the victim's decision-making process on whether or not to testify, as can the fear of the rapist. Most people say that confronting the rapist can be cathartic and give the victim a sense of control, but that doesn't mean it's easy.
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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Wonderful reasoning. So at what point is she not a victim anymore?

    If she goes out and steals a car a year later, can she scream, "I was raped last year!" and be considered a victim?
    She is being jailed to unsure testimony that she is not obligated to give even if it was stated prior to the event that she would. What I question is; was the victim coerced into agreeing to give testimony from a prosecutor only looking for a notch in their belt saying I get convictions for some re-election effort or other private gain. This is bad precedent to set for victims of heinous crimes.
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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    There are other complications with keeping her under the "Material Witness" order. How accurate will her testimony be or whether she would have "phantom memories" as a result of her experiences while in juvenile hall. There were other alternative available to insure that she would not be a flight risk and would appear.
    "Franco said the girl has been "revictimized" while in juvenile hall, once getting pepper-sprayed by authorities who were trying to quell a fight between two other girls. The lawyer said her client has been denied contact visits with her mother. The witness also injured her ankle and nearly passed out after being "forced" to participate in a physical education class"
    Alleged rape victim must stay in custody, Sacramento judge says - Courts/Legal News - The Sacramento Bee

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    This is positively unacceptable. Clearly the teenager is scared out of her mind. Did you see the size of that brute? He's suspected of being a serial rapist. He brutalized her and probably threatened her during the rape. Now the girl is absolutely terrified. Some rape victims are so traumatized by seeing their rapist glaring at them in court that they have panic attacks, throw up, are rendered mute with fear.

    So the authorities deal with this by throwing her in jail. This poor child will never be the same, and she'll never, ever report another crime against her, nor will she ever trust authorities again. Outrageous.

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This is positively unacceptable. Clearly the teenager is scared out of her mind. Did you see the size of that brute? He's suspected of being a serial rapist. He brutalized her and probably threatened her during the rape. Now the girl is absolutely terrified. Some rape victims are so traumatized by seeing their rapist glaring at them in court that they have panic attacks, throw up, are rendered mute with fear.

    So the authorities deal with this by throwing her in jail. This poor child will never be the same, and she'll never, ever report another crime against her, nor will she ever trust authorities again. Outrageous.
    Not only is he huge but ugly and scarey looking. He has shown already he can't be rehabilitated. Let's hope he doesn't get some 5-7yr sentence with time off for good behavior.

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