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Thread: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    She ignored a subpeona to appear in court. What's illegal about jailing her for that?

    It is wrong for a victim to report a crime to the police, identify her attacker, agree with the prosecution to go forward and then decide, "Well, I'm not going to show up."
    Yeah, these sensationalist knee-jerk reactions are the fodder for simple minds, as in "Oh my God how dare they, she's the victim!".

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Yeah, these sensationalist knee-jerk reactions are the fodder for simple minds, as in "Oh my God how dare they, she's the victim!".
    Or people who actually give a damn about the well being of the victim.
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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

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    She was raped.
    All raped women are mentally unstable? It is certainly possible she may have problems, but that's a bit of a blanket statement.

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

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    She was raped.
    I'm very sorry, but I don't believe being raped automatically makes some mentally unstable. I can't believe you do either.

    Does having the **** kicked out of you make you mentally unstable? How about someone trying to murder you? Good grief.
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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

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    Or people who actually give a damn about the well being of the victim.
    Giving a damn and being an idiot are not mutually exclusive, obviously.

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm very sorry, but I don't believe being raped automatically makes some mentally unstable. I can't believe you do either.

    Does having the **** kicked out of you make you mentally unstable? How about someone trying to murder you? Good grief.
    It doesn't make one automatically mentally unstable, but it makes me think one could be unstable. And with her actions, it just adds to the evidence. Also, I'm pretty sure you can't force a victim to testify, and you don't need her to go into court to testify, since her contention is most likely not wanting to be in the same room as her attacker. Whoever put her in jail is a unsympathetic bastard, and is unduly punishing the victim. Sicking, plain and simple.
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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    She ignored a subpeona to appear in court. What's illegal about jailing her for that?
    She was jailed not for committing a crime, but to "ensure her testimony." That is bull****.

    It is wrong for a victim to report a crime to the police, identify her attacker, agree with the prosecution to go forward and then decide, "Well, I'm not going to show up."
    No it isn't. She's 17 years old, she was raped, and she wanted to report the crime to the police. Never having been a victim of sexual assault myself, I can't begin to imagine how she's feeling, but is it really so unfathomable that she changed her mind about wanting to testify? She's probably terrified.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104
    Commenting that I don't know all the facts of course, you are legally right and it actually is never the victim prosecuting anyone, it is the state. The reason to prosecute the rapists is NOT just on her behalf, but to prevent future victims.
    Future victims are probably going to be less likely to come forward in the first place, if doing so carries the risk of being thrown in prison if they later decide they don't want to testify.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104
    If there is positive prove such as physical injuries and dna for which her only testimony really needed is that she had not consented, she does need to be forced to court.
    No she doesn't. And this is logically inconsistent; if there is enough proof to convict him without her testimony, then the court can proceed without her testimony. And if there isn't enough proof and she won't testify, then the DA doesn't have a case in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104
    She many not want prosecution or is so messed up she can't handle the thought of being in court and in front of him. But what about the future potential rape victims by that man? That is the priority now, not her fear.
    This assumes he's guilty. And if there is no physical evidence and no one willing to testify against him, then there is no case to make that he's guilty. If the only evidence is her previous statements to the police, and she isn't willing to make those statements in front of a court, then why should she be forced to? "We need you to testify, even though we have no physical proof that what you said is accurate" is not a good enough reason.

    These types of cases shouldn't even be prosecuted in the first place if there is no witness. And throwing the girl in jail is just nasty.
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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    She was jailed not for committing a crime, but to "ensure her testimony." That is bull****.



    No it isn't. She's 17 years old, she was raped, and she wanted to report the crime to the police. Never having been a victim of sexual assault myself, I can't begin to imagine how she's feeling, but is it really so unfathomable that she changed her mind about wanting to testify? She's probably terrified.



    Future victims are probably going to be less likely to come forward in the first place, if doing so carries the risk of being thrown in prison if they later decide they don't want to testify.



    No she doesn't. And this is logically inconsistent; if there is enough proof to convict him without her testimony, then the court can proceed without her testimony. And if there isn't enough proof and she won't testify, then the DA doesn't have a case in the first place.



    This assumes he's guilty. And if there is no physical evidence and no one willing to testify against him, then there is no case to make that he's guilty. If the only evidence is her previous statements to the police, and she isn't willing to make those statements in front of a court, then why should she be forced to? "We need you to testify, even though we have no physical proof that what you said is accurate" is not a good enough reason.

    These types of cases shouldn't even be prosecuted in the first place if there is no witness. And throwing the girl in jail is just nasty.
    Do you have any idea about how many inconsistencies and uninformed innuendo you have in a few paragraphs. I have neither the time nor the inclination to sort this out. You are literally all over the place.

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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Do you have any idea about how many inconsistencies and uninformed innuendo you have in a few paragraphs. I have neither the time nor the inclination to sort this out. You are literally all over the place.
    Cool, thanks for your contribution to the thread. I love it when people randomly interject just to say that they aren't going to respond (instead of just ACTUALLY not responding), it really adds to the discussion.
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    Re: California: teen rape victim held in jail to ensure testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Cool, thanks for your contribution to the thread. I love it when people randomly interject just to say that they aren't going to respond (instead of just ACTUALLY not responding), it really adds to the discussion.
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