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  • The US is the world's most exceptional nation, a beacon of freedom, the good guys and heroes.

    14 20.00%
  • The US an accomplished nation with serious problems and has done a lot of good and a lot of bad.

    54 77.14%
  • The US is an evil empire founded on racism, hegemony, and jingoism.

    2 2.86%
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No offense but I have visited Mersin and Istanbul Turkey and they are 2 places I would not want to live...Out of the 60 or so countries I have visited Turkey is right near the top of the list where I would not want to live, right behind Port of Prince Haiti which is number 1.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Jews are doing OK and so are Catholics.
    They weren't for a little while. Actually Jews only started doing "OK" in this country after WWII. The US elite really toned down the anti-semitic rhetoric after the whole... 6 million dead Jews incident in Europe. As far as I know Catholics weren't doing that great either until after the 30s. As a matter of fact, I could probably pull up a few anti-Catholic posters from the early 20th century. Oh hey, here is one:



    There are no WASPS on the United States Supreme Court btw
    I guess Roberts doesn't count? He's pretty WASPy if you ask me. But I could always be wrong. Maybe he's only half WASP. However that misses the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How many American blacks of today would want to live in say Liberia or Equatorial Guinea?
    I don't know. I grew up in the US. I don't really wonder about problems in other countries. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they have them. They just don't really bother me.


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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    It's an exceptional nation, and because it is an exceptional nation, it has done much in the way of good, and a number of bad things that make it unique in the world.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's an exceptional nation, and because it is an exceptional nation, it has done much in the way of good, and a number of bad things that make it unique in the world.
    The first definition for exceptional is "unusual". That's a pretty vague describer.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The first definition for exceptional is "unusual". That's a pretty vague describer.
    That's the essence of American Exceptionalism as the concept. It encompasses a great many things, both good and bad. I take it back to John Winthrop and Alexis de Tocqueville.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its funny how the agnostic left trumpets darwin in the fact of the bible thumping faithful but these same lefties hate the concept when applied to our economic environment
    Philosophers, scientists, and engineers for thousands of years have tried to improve humanity by reasoning, learning, and applying what we've learned for the betterment of all. They've given us rule of law to preserve the peace, medicine to prolong our lives, and new technologies to protect us from our enemies and the jungle.

    Christians for thousands of years have read and bowed to intone phrases like "love thy neighbor as thyself" and "turn the other cheek" on Sunday only to arise Monday, don their sword for battle or wallow in the pits of the NYSE, and, forgoing the tenets they've so recently renewed, take as much as they can from their fellow man, extolling the virtues of the dog-eat-dog world. "It's the Law of the Jungle", they say, before telling their children Darwin was a fraud and not to be trusted.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Every country feels it is exceptional in some way, and America is no different in it's claim to uniqueness. The right, as is their way, have perverted the original concept to imply some sort of superiority. I plumped for the middle option, but wonder what "accomplished" means in terms of nationhood.
    Regarding Catholics. If they were so well integrated, why was JFK the first Catholic President? There may have been some deists, or even a couple of irreligious ones (who kept quiet about it), But American Presidents are an otherwise endless line of WASPs,
    Last edited by Manc Skipper; 04-09-12 at 07:57 AM.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Regarding Catholics. If they were so well integrated, why was JFK the first Catholic President? There may have been some deists, or even a couple of irreligious ones (who kept quiet about it), But American Presidents are an otherwise endless line of WASPs,
    Many Americans of that time wondered if a Catholic President would have mixed loyalties. Having to choose between what is best for the US and what the Pope might say which way would they decide? When I got older (I was pretty young during Kennedy's term) I thought it was kind of paranoid for them to think that way, those crazy Old Fogeys! Of course the President would pick the country over their religion!
    Later in life the Terri Schiavo case came along and blew those idealistic thoughts right out of the water ...
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I'd prefer to use todays technology rather than that of hundreds of years ago...Darwin was smart, was advanced, but that was a long time ago..
    IMO, truly equal opportunity is the answer, and this begins with a first rate education.
    Generally, the poor do not have this.
    IMO, the "useful gene" and a good environment are one and the same.
    College education is aristocratic and its failure proves Darwin was wrong about heredity. The university was designed for people with independent incomes; it must be replaced with paid professional training. The present system is not an equal opportunity; your suggestion shows how the upper class can control the minds even of its opponents. That's all the oligarchs give us: either do it their way or follow their way of changing it.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I would have to say #2. What people forget is Europeans took this country from it's original inhabitants. This country was conquered not settled. Having said that I don't think there is a country in existence that has it's original inhabitants, land changes hands over time, to the victor goes the spoils. It is a form of Darwinism in a way, the strong survive the weak get pushed aside.
    Use logic and you will realize what lies we were taught. The North American Indians weren't the first people here, the South American Indians were. Obviously, the ancestors of the Incans didn't sail from the Bering Strait to Peru, nor did they keep wandering after they reached our West Coast; they were pushed out by later Indian invaders, who themselves were driven into Central America. Second, the tribes left standing in the 15th Century were in constant warfare and had all stolen the land from one another that they claim we later stole from them. A native is just the last thief.

    Nature is not a real estate agent; seniority of possession means nothing. Use it or lose it is the demand of human progress. The Indians were incapable of developing the natural resources that Whites were cheated out of developing because of the European class system. The whole world has benefited from giving Europe's dispossessed classes a chance at the expense of Indians who couldn't even benefit themselves.
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