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  • The US is the world's most exceptional nation, a beacon of freedom, the good guys and heroes.

    14 20.00%
  • The US an accomplished nation with serious problems and has done a lot of good and a lot of bad.

    54 77.14%
  • The US is an evil empire founded on racism, hegemony, and jingoism.

    2 2.86%
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How many American blacks of today would want to live in say Liberia or Equatorial Guinea?
    I'm black and I wouldn't want to go there,so whats your point?What does Liberia and EG in 2012 have to do with what my father went through in Bogalusa La, in the 1950's?

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its funny how the agnostic left trumpets darwin in the fact of the bible thumping faithful but these same lefties hate the concept when applied to our economic environment
    The far-right principle "the strong survive" or social darwinism is pseudo-Darwin. Darwin himself would not have supported it. Humans are now and have always been a tribal species, or one that survived via cooperation with one another. Darwin's theory of Natural Selection applies to competition between different species, not competition between human beings. Our strength as a species comes from both our intellect and our ability to work together. As loners we would have not done well in natural selection. As the tribal communities we became, we were strong enough not only to survive competing with other species; we became the dominant species of the world. Unfortunately some of our members fail to understand Darwin and use a warping of "the strong survive" as an excuse to be cruel and selfish toward other humans.

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't tend to give them much thought. They tend to interchange God and Government as the messiah
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    We have some ugly episodes in our past, but so does every nation.

    We have some problems in our present... but so does every nation.


    Taking things in their proper historical context, we've done far more good than ill, and usually asked damn little for it other than room to bury our dead and maybe a hint of gratitude for saving the world's ass at least twice.


    On the whole, we're still a shining beacon of hope, even though our beacon is in need of some Windex.

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I'm black and I wouldn't want to go there,so whats your point?What does Liberia and EG in 2012 have to do with what my father went through in Bogalusa La, in the 1950's?



    Because you grew up in a nation where even a baby boy born black in the ghetto has more prospects for happiness and prosperity than a child born to the middle-class in most African nations? Just a thought....



    Walter E Williams has had some interesting things to say on the matter...

    Black Slavery is Alive

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?


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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Tough to vote on this one because I don't believe that the United States is what it was intended to be, or was for the better part of the first century of its existance.

    Probably my best description of what the United States currently is would be..... "A wonderfully devised experiment gone terribly wrong."

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because you grew up in a nation where even a baby boy born black in the ghetto has more prospects for happiness and prosperity than a child born to the middle-class in most African nations? Just a thought....



    Walter E Williams has had some interesting things to say on the matter...

    Black Slavery is Alive
    I am quite aware of all that.
    But just because I worked my way from being a porter's son to becoming the owner of several fine resturants (and my wife worked her way from being "po' white trailerpark trash" to being a surgeon) doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to the problems that still plague this country.

    I am not going to just sit idly by and allow PrometheusBound to sprout such bs nonsense as :
    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Before the 60s, the United States was a beacon of freedom.
    to go unchallenged knowing my own family history.
    What does slavery in Modern day Africa have to do with an AMERICAN such as myself who's family roots on my father's side stretch back in this country to 1687 and my mothers side a thousand plus years?
    Just because I don't have it anywhere near as bad as my parents generation (or people living in other parts of the world) does not mean that I am living in some Utopia States of America.
    Recognizing that there are still problems in this country does not equal treason or sedition,at least not yet.
    No one handed me anything.I busted my ass and overcame many obstacles(including racism) to get to where I am at now.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Tough to vote on this one because I don't believe that the United States is what it was intended to be, or was for the better part of the first century of its existance.

    Probably my best description of what the United States currently is would be..... "A wonderfully devised experiment gone terribly wrong."
    I have a good friend who is finishing up his doctorate in American history. Once I asked him when he thought America would peak.

    "1789", he told me "It's all been downhill since then".

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I have a good friend who is finishing up his doctorate in American history. Once I asked him when he thought America would peak.

    "1789", he told me "It's all been downhill since then".
    I'm sure black people and women feel exactly the same way
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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