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  • The US is the world's most exceptional nation, a beacon of freedom, the good guys and heroes.

    14 20.00%
  • The US an accomplished nation with serious problems and has done a lot of good and a lot of bad.

    54 77.14%
  • The US is an evil empire founded on racism, hegemony, and jingoism.

    2 2.86%
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Before the 60s, the United States was a beacon of freedom. But it turned into an aristocracy establishing a destructive ruling class as both its decadent Left and Right Wings shared power. These heirheads were spoiled and pushy, sheltered and ignorant, self-obsessed and anti-majority. Previously, the rule of the majority had created the greatest country on earth.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    There isn't really a choice I fully agree with. I'd say *The US an accomplished nation with serious problems and has done a lot of good and a lot of stupid*.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Before the 60s, the United States was a beacon of freedom. But it turned into an aristocracy establishing a destructive ruling class as both its decadent Left and Right Wings shared power. These heirheads were spoiled and pushy, sheltered and ignorant, self-obsessed and anti-majority. Previously, the rule of the majority had created the greatest country on earth.
    Prior to the 60's,my father(who was both a WW2 and Korean War vet) was a blackman living in the South under Jim Crow Laws and my mother was an Ononadonga Indian living in the Res (an extremely povert stricken place back then,Still is) in upstate NY.Seems they had a different view of that "beacon of freedom" since they both where beaten,arrested,spit upon,attacked by police dogs,and shot engaging in peaceful civil rights demonstrations just somI can enjoy the freedoms I enjoy today.
    Last edited by Verthaine; 04-06-12 at 09:05 PM.

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Before the 60s, the United States was a beacon of freedom.
    For white anglo-saxon Protestant males. For everyone else, it was kind of ****ty.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Which best describes your view of the United States?
    The one which best describes my view out of the three is #2, but my view is between #1 and #2. The United States, to me, is the best place to live for the type of freedom and quality of life that I desire. I also believe it has a great potential to become the ideal society as it would be in my mind. However, its government and citizens have currently and historically hurt a lot of people including one another. Both have also displayed frequently certain traits that I consider damaging and wholly negative such as hypocrisy, blinding pride and hatred.

    Because of all this and a lot more, I don't think of the US solely as a "hero" or a "villain". In fact, I don't think of it those terms at all. It's a country that has had both positive and negative impacts on the world that I think has the potential to have the most positive impact on humanity than any other organized body of individuals ever has.

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Considering the amount of power we could project, I would say we have shown incredible restraint in dealing with our enemies, we have kept our borders open to the detriment of our own society, and we continue to let people express themselves in all sorts of ways that degrade faith in and loyalty to our country.

    I voted number 1 because we are such a free society, we are willing to throw it all away because the ideals it would take to protect it would degrade those freedoms. One of two things will have to happen IMO. We will either recognize the greatness of our republic and fight to protect it from outside influence , or we will devolve into a European like state where we wield no actual power, but because of our past power we will expect that the next superpower heed our advice.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Considering the amount of power we could project, I would say we have shown incredible restraint in dealing with our enemies, we have kept our borders open to the detriment of our own society, and we continue to let people express themselves in all sorts of ways that degrade faith in and loyalty to our country.

    I voted number 1 because we are such a free society, we are willing to throw it all away because the ideals it would take to protect it would degrade those freedoms. One of two things will have to happen IMO. We will either recognize the greatness of our republic and fight to protect it from outside influence , or we will devolve into a European like state where we wield no actual power, but because of our past power we will expect that the next superpower heed our advice.
    Power is made by power being taken, so I keep on runing to protect my situation:

    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Considering the amount of power we could project, I would say we have shown incredible restraint in dealing with our enemies, we have kept our borders open to the detriment of our own society, and we continue to let people express themselves in all sorts of ways that degrade faith in and loyalty to our country.

    I voted number 1 because we are such a free society, we are willing to throw it all away because the ideals it would take to protect it would degrade those freedoms. One of two things will have to happen IMO. We will either recognize the greatness of our republic and fight to protect it from outside influence , or we will devolve into a European like state where we wield no actual power, but because of our past power we will expect that the next superpower heed our advice.
    It's not as if we have shown restraint simply because we are "good" or "heroes" as #1 describes us. Instead, we have often shown restraint in order to protect ourselves. One of the main reasons we show restraint is because we neither want to overextend ourselves (as we've already done, to be honest) nor be the catalyst for an internationally dangerous situation. Consequently, to base our "goodness" on something that we are doing less out of being "good" and more out of protecting ourselves is wrongheaded.

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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Before the 60s, the United States was a beacon of freedom. But it turned into an aristocracy establishing a destructive ruling class as both its decadent Left and Right Wings shared power. These heirheads were spoiled and pushy, sheltered and ignorant, self-obsessed and anti-majority. Previously, the rule of the majority had created the greatest country on earth.
    I would say the turning point was December 23, 1913. At that point, financial control of the United States was transferred from the government, and thus from the people, to a small group of private business owners who have been using it for their own gain ever since.

    But even in spite of our flaws, we still strive to be freer than other countries. Even when we fail to live up to that ideal, we still strive for it reaaaaalllly hard. Now, when we can eliminate the institutionalized racism, poverty, sexism, religious bigotry, oppression of gays, warmongering, and mass incarceration of non-violent drug users, then we'll be "the world's most exceptional nation, a beacon of freedom, the good guys and heroes." Though the strength of that position will be diminished if we don't stop lagging behind the rest of the world. We're the slowest in the industrialized world to adopt social equality, like gay marriage. And remember how we took our sweet time abolishing slavery? We really have a lot of work to do.
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    Re: Which best describes your view of the United States?

    This country is doomed. Most of the people are a bunch of brainwashed hypocrites. We have squanderd our once great nation's moral values and soon we will get our butts kicked all over the place.

    The money spent on the current wars could have been used for wise moral useful purposes.

    Instead of a united nation we are a nation of dog eat dog, social darwnists.

    Thank you very much.

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