Are all black men brainwashed? (Read Warning: post #540)

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apdst said:

That's exactly what he's saying and he's right. Black folks like myself, who don't tow the line know exactly what treatment we can expect from our, "brothers". Don't we, OV? I know for a fact that you hate blacks that don't walk the line. We're called race traitors, when we aren't, "down", the bull**** that the Libbos tell us we should be down with.

Constantly, it's assumed that I'm white, because I'm a Conservative.

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you may be one of those brainwashed people

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Objective Voice said:

Alright, MaggieD, I know you have some conservative views some of which go alittle outside the social norms, but I attribute that moreso to lack of exposure to many facets of life outside of the Chicagoland area than I do racial tendencies. Therefore, before responding I would like to know what brought on the "(many) black men are brainwashed" statement in the first place? Was this a general statement or were you addressing a specific issue? What exactly as we suppose to be brainwashed about? Point me to the thread/article/statement/reference source in question so that Black men can digest the contents and judge for ourselves the merits of your pychological assessment of us.

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If you want to know what I said, they look at the entire quote in context to the question I was asked by Haymarket; not as one of TPD's lame Gotcha Games frequently directed at me.

ThePlayDrive said:

Just click on the arrow next to her name in her post in the OP to see the context of the quote.

It's also worth nothing that she didn't tell me that she was going to back and edit it. She said that she "almost" went back and didn't. So correct quote is, in fact, "all black men".

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Give it a rest, TPD. You're making my cry. :rofl You sound exactly like a little 14-year-old I knew in Junior High. Maybe you're younger than I thought. And just precocious.

Objective Voice said:

As a Black man who grew up in Gary, IN - a neighboring city south-east of Chicago - I have NEVER saw myself as a victim of society nor do I believe that just because I am a Black man that I must fit the mold of Black social stereo-types.

I DON'T wear the so-called "trendy" clothes that many of my peers wore, i.e., Nikes shoes, Harringbon gold necklaces, FUBU attire.

I DON'T speak "Ebonics"; I speak very much the way I type which is to say I try very hard to use proper English grammer.

I DON'T believe I need to "keep up with the Jones" in order to get ahead.

I DON'T eat Chitterlings, hogmales, fatback, ox tails or many of the other more common ethic foods my peers are known consume mostly because I just didn't grow up on it. My mother didn't prepare such meals often because my father who was Black BTW wouldn't eat it. It might even surprise most posters to learn that this Black man to this day does not use hot sauce on my foods be it chicken, eggs, collard greens or anything else. It's just not something I do, but I recognize it is a condiment closely associated with the African American dining ritual. Does that make me not Black enough? Or was I merely absent from Black Brainwashing 101?

If this poll is an attempt to plug Black people into some socio-political scheme, I'd say you've missed the mark somewhat. While it might be true that a large segment of the African American population tend to vote Democrat, IMHO the reasons behind that are vast. But it starts with understanding how the Republican Party let African Americans down after Reconstruction.

Under Pres. Lincoln, the Republican Party sought to unite the nation, but their mistake was pursuing a path of "separate, but equal". Once that didn't take hold, the "separate" part became the benchmark of the Party of which Conservative Democrats took that ball and ran with it! (KKK anyone?)

Look, I'm willing to concede that a great many Black men and women are lazy, have been held sway by drugs and alcohol, and do subsist off of entitlement programs some from craddle to grave, but many White people would be surprised to learn that this IS also a problem among White Americans, too. So, if the argument is that Blacks tend to vote Democrat because we're promised "handouts" by liberal politicians, I'd say you really don't understand Black folks very well.

It's not a matter of promises; it's a matter of trust. And for the most part, the Republican Party hasn't done much to gain the trust of the African American people. But we can take that matter up in another thread along with how Reconstruction let the Black man down after seeming so promising initially. But this brainwashing thing among Blacks...c'mon...really?

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*Sigh* First, I have retracted my use of the word brainwashing and replaced it with conditioning. That's a much better fit. I don't want to argue with you, I really don't. But may I point out several things in your post?

Your first bolded sentence above? I'd ask you to ask that question of your fellow African-Americans. That sounds like a very strange thing to say...never heard a white person say that in my life. I suspect there's a whole interesting story behind that question.

Your second bolded sentence above: What a horrible and racist thing to say. Not really. You are pointing out what you see as reality. The KKK was begun by "Conservative Democrats." Interesting use of the word "conservative." Do you mean to say these Conservative Democrats changed into Republicans? Democrats were behind the KKK. Their first targets were black and white Republicans. Who knew?

apdst said:

It's exactly what most poor people aspire to. In most cases, poverty is a choice. I know plenty of poor people who are perfectly able to get a job, but aren't ambitious enough to get a job, because drawing welfare is easier.

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I included this post here because apdst has shared with us that he is black also, as is Objective Voice, as is BlackDog. There's is the perspective I'm most interested in. Not those who would cry like little babies and call me a racist.

nonpareil said:

It has to do with the thinking that blacks who take "hands out" are slaves, like being "enslaved". See the offensiveness in that yet? If that's what you think being "enslaved" is, you need to take a history lesson. Welfare is available in almost all advanced western economy, people don't call those who need it "enslaved". And who marginalise them? The people who put out the message that they are lazy, scheming, brainwashed addicts.

You want to talk about brainwashed, where did the "hand out not hand up" come from? The conservative establishment does a good job of keeping its flock in tune with the conservative mentra.

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I don't want to talk about brainwashed. I have already retracted that for a better word that was suggested: conditioned. If you want to deny that many blacks are conditioned to believe they are getting the short end of the stick? I don't know what to tell you.

Gimmesometruth said:

It is not "strange" at all, you decided to equate welfare for blacks with being a slave, and then you complain about racism being brought up. It is so dishonest.

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Yes, dear.

apdst said:

That's exactly what he's saying and he's right. Black folks like myself, who don't tow the line know exactly what treatment we can expect from our, "brothers". Don't we, OV? I know for a fact that you hate blacks that don't walk the line. We're called race traitors, when we aren't, "down", the bull**** that the Libbos tell us we should be down with.

Constantly, it's assumed that I'm white, because I'm a Conservative.

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Well, I have to say that I didn't know you were black. But you probably don't know that I'm green, either. Your post is interesting in conjunction with OV's statement wondering if he's black enough. I thought that was so odd.

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I think my favorite part about this thread is all you have to do is read it and you get your answers.

First I think its weird to even wonder if any race is more brainwashed/conditioned or whatever you want to call it than another race. Ive seen nothing in REAL LIFE to ever make me believe that, its silly.

secondly many of the posters in this thread have proven beyond a doubt that multiple races are brainwashed/conditioned to think in certain ways thats pure nonsense. But they dont make up the majority of that race of course they just exist everywhere, just like racists, idiots, bigots, and assholes.

Its funny, ignorance know no color, nor favors any color, bad apples are everywhere.

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Medusa said:

you may be one of those brainwashed people

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lol... yeah, how do we know who's really brainwashed or not, maybe the white people are all brainwashed

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When white people vote in a 92% block we can discuss that until then lets stick to the group that does just that.

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sawyerloggingon said:

When white people vote in a 92% block we can discuss that until then lets stick to the group that does just that.

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Strong voting patterns is not necessarily an indication of brain washing.

It does mean this group shares a lot of things politically, but this may or may not be the result of brain washing.

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megaprogman said:

Strong voting patterns is not necessarily an indication of brain washing.

It does mean this group shares a lot of things politically, but this may or may not be the result of brain washing.

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When 92% of any group does the exact same thing it is something to wonder about.

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sawyerloggingon said:

When 92% of any group does the exact same thing it is something to wonder about.

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Not really, the reasons for this are pretty well understood already, its been explained several times in this thread, but some here don't want to hear it.

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sawyerloggingon said:

When 92%of any group does the exact same thing it is something to wonder about.

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really?

93% of republicans voted republican in 08?
damn, I "wonder" why? LOL

only 89% of democrats voted democrat.

hmmm makes me "wonder" if republicans are more brainwashed than democrats LOL

its silly.

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Objective-J said:

really?

93% of republicans voted republican in 08?
damn, I "wonder" why? LOL

only 89% of democrats voted democrat.

hmmm makes me "wonder" if republicans are more brainwashed than democrats LOL

its silly.

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No that post was silly, try again.

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sawyerloggingon said:

No that post was silly, try again.

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I agree equally as silly as yours that was the point that obviously flew waaaaaaaaay over your head

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apdst said:

That's exactly what he's saying and he's right. Black folks like myself, who don't tow the line know exactly what treatment we can expect from our, "brothers". Don't we, OV? I know for a fact that you hate blacks that don't walk the line. We're called race traitors, when we aren't, "down", the bull**** that the Libbos tell us we should be down with.

Constantly, it's assumed that I'm white, because I'm a Conservative.

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No, apdst. You do not know me like that. You've wrongfully based your assessment of my racial beliefs either on one series of PMs I sent to you that originated from an innocent question concerning your background which in truth was merely an attempt to try to understand your position on racial issues better, a private conversation which you terribly misconstrued and still do to this day, or on a few thread posts that discussed certain racial situations I believed were unjust or unwarranted (mostly stemming from commentary made by Rush Limbaugh). Regardless, you've assessment of your position on race raltions is dreadfully wrong.

I don't hate my people. I just think we're long past the days when we need to continue living with the excuse that if we're not progressing that somehow "it's the White man's fault". That doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist in this country. It does! That much is painfully evident even by the nature of this thread. But you'd be grossly mistaken to think that I hate my own kind or that I'm embarrassed for being Black. Far from it!

I take great pride in being a Black man. I'm very proud of my African-American heritage. I'm proud of the fact that this nation has finally shed some of its racial bigotry by electing a Black man to the highest office in the land. But unlike some on my African-American peers, I can appreciate that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., is not only Black (though bi-racial would be more accurate) but he is Black and qualified to be this nation's 44th President. But to scale things back a bit, I don't hate you just because you don't necessarily see race relations where Black people are concerned in the same way. I may think that you're views are very narrow minded and somewhat off base, but I don't hate Black people who don't "walk the line" as you call it as I do. Unlike you, however, I have no problem taking my fellow Black man aside and discussing matters of his behavior I think is counter-productive, i.e., they way he dresses, the way he conducts himself, and I try to encourage each person I meet to do things that can improve his life in positive ways instead of ways inwhich may lead him (or her) to more problems down the road.

But no, I don't hate Black people who don't think or conduct themselves as I do. Who am I to judge? If anything, I take the advice I've offered yourself and others and I apply it in my daily life, to which, "mentor someone". Teach them how to improve their lives by empowering them, not impossing my will on them. That is the biggest difference I believe between you and me. I've never turned my nose up at you, but I do pity you for your narrow, single mindedness. (Keep in mind, you made it personal, not I.)

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MaggieD said:

You have a very strange take. But not so different than people who see racism behind every bush.

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Even though you just equated blacks on welfare to being slaves. You have a very strange take, but not so different than the people who constantly try to gloss over obvious race issues as if racism doesn't exist.

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Michael Johnson said:

Even though you just equated blacks on welfare to being slaves. You have a very strange take, but not so different than the people who constantly try to gloss over obvious race issues as if racism doesn't exist.

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Michael, the Zimmerman/Martin threads are calling for you.

If I've given you the impression that I gloss over obvious race issues as if racism doesn't exist, it's probably because, in my world, it doesn't, Michael. The fact that you choose to misconstrue my words means absolutely nothing to me. Your posts are meaningless attempts at trying to sound engaged. Wait!!! Is that the Zimmerman/Martin threads I hear calling for you?? I think so.

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MaggieD said:

Michael, the Zimmerman/Martin threads are calling for you.

If I've given you the impression that I gloss over obvious race issues as if racism doesn't exist, it's probably because, in my world, it doesn't, Michael.

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Of course it doesn't "in your world," which is why you think it's okay for you to use racist statements only.

Your world doesn't compare to the real world.

The fact that you choose to misconstrue my words means absolutely nothing to me. Your posts are meaningless attempts at trying to sound engaged. Wait!!! Is that the Zimmerman/Martin threads I hear calling for you?? I think so.

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Off-topic. We're discussing this thread only.

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MaggieD said:

If you want to know what I said, they look at the entire quote in context to the question I was asked by Haymarket; not as one of TPD's lame Gotcha Games frequently directed at me.

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I'll have to go back and look for your commentary and judge for myself what you meant. Still, that "conditioning" you're referring to has a history behind it. There's a thread I started long ago...I believe the title was something along the lines of "Race Needs to Die Out in America" or something to that effect. Essentially, my argument was that since we've elected a Black man to the presidency, short of landing a Black man on the moon African-Americans have achieved the same goals as our White counterparts. As such, there really shouldn't be a racial stigma between Blacks and Whites in American anymore. But unfortunately, it would seem that the racial divide has gotten wider, not narrower. But who is really to blame for that?

White people - both citizens and politicians - claim it is the President himself who has played the race card throughout his presidency and that Black people have fed into the racial tension. While I agree that Pres. Obama has sided more with Black people along racial lines, I don't find anything too unusual about this. After all, every White president throughout this nation's history has put forward initiatives that stood to benefit White Americans moreso than any other minority group. Why then do White people find it "disturbing" or "troubling" or "unfair" or "disingenuous" when a Black president attends a conference of the Black Congressional Caucus and is subsequently labelled a racist is beyond me. Or when he stands up for an injustice imposed upon one of his Black friends who happens to be a professor at a prestigious college and is arrested in his own home even after it's been made plainly obvious that he broke into his own home? Or when a Black man running for the office of the Presidency is ridiculed for attending a Black church for upwards of 20 years? I mean, why should these things surprise people...that a Black man would attend a church of his peers? (BTW, I get the Black Theology issue and "GD America" and all that, but those who are basing their opinions off of sound bites really need to dig alittle deeper and learn exactly what Rev. Wright's surman was about or even what the vast majority of his church services were like before basing everything they know about the President's former place of worship from what little they've seen in the news or replayed on YouTube videos).

My point here is simple: "Seek first to understand, then be understood." If you as a White person really want to know what makes a Black man tick, why not sit down and hold an honest, open discussion with a Black man instead of throwing out generalities or jumping to conclusions as to what you think drives us. You're likely find we are just as diverse and have many of the same problems White people do.

Your first bolded sentence above? I'd ask you to ask that question of your fellow African-Americans. [RE: Am I not Black enough?] That sounds like a very strange thing to say...never heard a white person say that in my life. I suspect there's a whole interesting story behind that question.

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No story except that my dad didn't eat that kind of "soul food" often and I never acquired a taste for much of it. It is funny, though, when I tell some of my Black friends that I hate chitterlings they always say, "You don't know what you're missing." To which I respond, "Oh, yes, I do!" And believe me, it ain't much. LOL

Your second bolded sentence above: What a horrible and racist thing to say. Not really. You are pointing out what you see as reality. The KKK was begun by "Conservative Democrats." Interesting use of the word "conservative." Do you mean to say these Conservative Democrats changed into Republicans? Democrats were behind the KKK. Their first targets were black and white Republicans. Who knew?

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To clarify, yes, Conservative Democrats started the KKK, but my point in bringing up this issue was to point out that while Blacks were being pursecuted by the Klan, powerful White Republicans mostly sat on the sidelines until matters got so out of control they had no choice but to step in and do something about it. But here's the rub - and it's the point I want people to understand where "trust" among Blacks in Democrats stem from - although a strong segment of Democratic politicians were behind the Klan, when Black people needed the help of powerful Republicans, they mostly sat on the sidelines until their positions of power, wealth and prestige were threatened. In a nutshell, Republicans lost the Black vote when they refused to stand up for our Civil Rights in the 50's and 60's. To this day, the Republican Party still doesn't do enough to endear Blacks to their cause. You talk prosperity and opportunity for all, but even knowing what the unemployment rate is within the African-American community what exactly have Republicans done to turn that 18% unemployment rate around? Have you loosened restrictions on community banks in Black communities? Have you fostered business growth in Black neighborhoods? Have you worked to get rid of Affirmative Action in a meaningful way where Blacks and other minorities believe they'll get a fair shake at jobs typically held by our White counterparts? I'm not asking these questions to further widen the racial divide, but rather to make people think.

Referring back to the thread I mentioned above, I encourage you to find it and read it, but consider the legal roadblocks that were set in the path of many Blacks that have contributed to the stigma of prosperity for Blacks that linger even to this day. Read it, then try to see what Black people see every single day. For some of us, things have gotten better but IMO that has more to do with some of us taking matters into our own hands than accepting what's been "given" to us (i.e., entitlements, welfare, food stamps...)

I included this post here because apdst has shared with us that he is black also, as is Objective Voice, as is BlackDog. There's is the perspective I'm most interested in. Not those who would cry like little babies and call me a racist.

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Well, now you have alittle of my perspective on what it means to be Black in American. If you'd like to talk more, I'm always just a PM away.

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Michael Johnson said:

Off-topic. We're discussing this thread only.

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No, my sweet little kumquat. The only thing you've discussed so far is Maggie. You haven't voted. You haven't given your opinion on the OP. I have nothing more to say to you, SLK.

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MaggieD said:

No, my sweet little kumquat. The only thing you've discussed so far is Maggie. You haven't voted. You haven't given your opinion on the OP. I have nothing more to say to you, SLK.

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Your statements are part of the topic so therefore I have given my opinion on the matter, even though half the people on this thread went off-topic 10 pages ago.

And for the record I have voted so that's another strike against you, my sweety poo.

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apdst said:

That's exactly what he's saying and he's right. Black folks like myself, who don't tow the line know exactly what treatment we can expect from our, "brothers". Don't we, OV? I know for a fact that you hate blacks that don't walk the line. We're called race traitors, when we aren't, "down", the bull**** that the Libbos tell us we should be down with.

Constantly, it's assumed that I'm white, because I'm a Conservative.

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BTW, by your own admission you're Black but clearly we all don't think or act alike, thus we're not so monolithic as one protests. Then again, as you've said you don't "tow the line" so one might say you're not one of "us". So, you don't count. LOL (sarcasm, still be mindful of what you say. It could come back and bite you in the cyber-butt.)

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MaggieD said:

You have a very strange take. But not so different than people who see racism behind every bush.

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You have suggested that blacks are brainwashed, that women and low-income people "drink kool aid" because they don't vote Republican to the extend that you think is right, and have claimed that those who take welfare are enslaved, and you think it's strange when people point out the offensiveness in your posts? Even with all that, I did not call you a racist as I have other posters. If you got nothing else from this thread, get this: racists never think they are racists.

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nonpareil said:

You have suggested that blacks are brainwashed, that women and minorities "drink kool aid" because they don't vote Republican to the extend that you think is right, and have claimed that those who take welfare are enslaved, and you think it's strange when people point out the offensiveness in your posts? Even with all that, I did not call you a racist as I have other posters. If you got nothing else from this thread, get this: racists never think they are racists.

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Im not sure wouldnt it be funny if republicans were almost all white people... then theyd be the brain washed ones...




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apdst said:

That's exactly what he's saying and he's right. Black folks like myself, who don't tow the line know exactly what treatment we can expect from our, "brothers". Don't we, OV? I know for a fact that you hate blacks that don't walk the line. We're called race traitors, when we aren't, "down", the bull**** that the Libbos tell us we should be down with.

Constantly, it's assumed that I'm white, because I'm a Conservative.

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Most people are assumed to be white on a forum dedicated to American politics for the most part. I assumed Stillballing's white, and Objective Voice too, it's the default, while many assume I'm male. Ostracisation for being different is not something particular to black communities or "libbos", try being a Christian among atheists, or vice versa. There's no justification for calling anyone "traitors" for having different opinions, but thanks to the political process, that's what happens all too often.

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nonpareil said:

You have suggested that blacks are brainwashed, that women and low-income people "drink kool aid" because they don't vote Republican to the extend that you think is right, and have claimed that those who take welfare are enslaved, and you think it's strange when people point out the offensiveness in your posts? Even with all that, I did not call you a racist as I have other posters. If you got nothing else from this thread, get this: racists never think they are racists.

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nonpareil said:

You have suggested that blacks are brainwashed, that women and low-income people "drink kool aid" because they don't vote Republican to the extend that you think is right, and have claimed that those who take welfare are enslaved, and you think it's strange when people point out the offensiveness in your posts? Even with all that, I did not call you a racist as I have other posters. If you got nothing else from this thread, get this: racists never think they are racists.

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I am not a racist, Nonpareil. TPD posted this thread to put a target on my back. To subject me to ridicule and sanction. I can't even remember the thread to go back and pull my comments in context and, frankly, I don't care to. So every once in a while I stop in this one and defend myself from the consequences of a poster whose mission appears to be a little gnat on my ass.

If posters on this board think I'm a racist, so be it. Ya'll want to make me the subject of a bashing thread? Ya'll want to club me over the head for my opinions? Take my comments out of context? Pile on? Okay. Have fun.