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Are all black men brainwashed? (Read Warning: post #540)

Are all black men brainwashed?


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Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

I keep asking for a black Democrat to tell me why he or she is Democrat and why most black voters vote Dem and still no response. I know of a couple of black conservatives in here and surly there is black liberals too. If there isn't I think this forum is basically a white racist haven and in the spirit of affirmative action and diversity and equal rights I demand that this forum be shut down! :lol:

Allow me:

When did blacks start voting Democratic?

For how long have the Democrats garnered the black vote? Certainly there was a point during the last century when a majority of blacks started supporting the Democrats rather than Republicans. What has been the voting pattern and what happened to change that pattern?

Answer from FactCheck

Blacks mostly voted Republican from after the Civil War and through the early part of the 20th century. That’s not surprising when one considers that Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president, and the white, segregationist politicians who governed Southern states in those days were Democrats. The Democratic Party didn’t welcome blacks then, and it wasn’t until 1924 that blacks were even permitted to attend Democratic conventions in any official capacity. Most blacks lived in the South, where they were mostly prevented from voting at all.

The election of Roosevelt in 1932 marked the beginning of a change. He got 71 percent of the black vote for president in 1936 and did nearly that well in the next two elections, according to historical figures kept by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies. But even then, the number of blacks identifying themselves as Republicans was about the same as the number who thought of themselves as Democrats.

It wasn’t until Harry Truman garnered 77 percent of the black vote in 1948 that a majority of blacks reported that they thought of themselves as Democrats. Earlier that year Truman had issued an order desegregating the armed services and an executive order setting up regulations against racial bias in federal employment.

Even after that, Republican nominees continued to get a large slice of the black vote for several elections. Dwight D. Eisenhower got 39 percent in 1956, and Richard Nixon got 32 percent in his narrow loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960.

But then President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 (outlawing segregation in public places) and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, still a record for any presidential election.

The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since.

FactCheck.org : Blacks and the Democratic Party

Objectively, I can't say as I blame them for their initial support of the Democratic Party. And, of course, old habits die hard.
 
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So basically the black vote went Dem after Truman, then solidified after Johnson and his civil rights act where he said the discusting they will be voting Dem for 200 years thing. Good post Maggie thank you.
 
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Too bad the Tea party kinda fell apart afterwords and all those people they elected promptly ignored them.

LOL. Oh yeah. That's too bad. LOL
 
Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

So basically the black vote went Dem after Truman, then solidified after Johnson and his civil rights act where he said the discusting they will be voting Dem for 200 years thing. Good post Maggie thank you.

Thanks. And yeppers! Lyndon Johnson is alleged to have said that to two governors while aboard Air Force One:

I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.
 
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Are all black men brainwashed?
No more than all the other insulated minority groups, from christian conservatives to environmentalists, are brainwashed.
 
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So basically the black vote went Dem after Truman, then solidified after Johnson and his civil rights act where he said the discusting they will be voting Dem for 200 years thing. Good post Maggie thank you.

The Dems can re-write history all day long. You don't hear any of them teaching "the children" in the govt indoctrination centers that the KKK was founded by the Dem party to keep Black from voting republican.
 
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Allow me:



FactCheck.org : Blacks and the Democratic Party


Objectively, I can't say as I blame them for their initial support of the Democratic Party. And, of course, old habits die hard.

now, please share with us what the 'modern' republican party has done which should motivate black citizens to again vote for the things the republican party stands for
 
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now, please share with us what the 'modern' republican party has done which should motivate black citizens to again vote for the things the republican party stands for

Well, what party is responsible for enslaving blacks within our welfare system? Which party made sure they got a hand out instead of a hand up? And which party has tried the hardest to reform that system?
 
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now, please share with us what the 'modern' republican party has done which should motivate black citizens to again vote for the things the republican party stands for

Principles are beyond color of skin and so is party loyalty. False premise.
 
Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

There certainly seems to be a great deal of outright hatred for the way that some African Americans decided to exercise their right to vote here.
 
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now, please share with us what the 'modern' republican party has done which should motivate black citizens to again vote for the things the republican party stands for

well, you tell me. which party is advocating welfare and education reform measures that would help our disproportionately poor minority populations raise themselves up, and which party is beholden to public unions and 1970-style-giveaway programs?

Black Voters Strong Supporters of Governor Chris Christie's Charter School Program

67% of African American and 60% of Hispanic Americans support Education Vouchers for Low-Income Families

Welfare Reform lifted 1.6 Million children out of poverty and led to the lowest rates of single-parent child poverty in American history

Republicans in Indiana extend HSA's to all making below 200% of the poverty level, allowing them to access health while building wealth

Conservatives are choc-a-bloc with ideas on how to refine our entitlement systems in order to provide more to our lower-income populations

The GOP is pushing a plan to introduce means-testing to more government programs to ensure that even in the face of cuts, we are taking better care of our poor


and so on etc. and so forth. Conservatives have plenty of ideas that would benefit women and minorities. It's just that we do so in the context of benefiting Americans, rather than taking from one identity group to give to another.
 
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To one degree or another - we are all brainwashed about something.
 
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Principles are beyond color of skin and so is party loyalty. False premise.

so, you remain silent when the observation is made that blacks do not tend to vote republican

but when asked why blacks should vote republican, you object to the association of skin color/ethnicity/race when examining who votes republican and why

my speculation is that you cannot answer my previous question and thus want to divert the conversation away from it. the answer might be embarrassing for those staunch stalwarts of the present republican party

as you can see, i disagree with your assertion that an examination of voting trends based on race would be an unprincipled undertaking. it is an examination republicans should rightfully consider if they do not want my grandchild to one day ask 'granddad, what was a republican?'
 
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well, you tell me. which party is advocating welfare and education reform measures that would help our disproportionately poor minority populations raise themselves up, and which party is beholden to public unions and 1970-style-giveaway programs?

not sure eliminating is really reforming...
 
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There certainly seems to be a great deal of outright hatred for the way that some African Americans decided to exercise their right to vote here.

Hatred? I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion.
 
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No more than all the other insulated minority groups, from christian conservatives to environmentalists, are brainwashed.
How are black men, christian conservatives and environmentalists "insulated" as entire groups?
 
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There certainly seems to be a great deal of outright hatred for the way that some African Americans decided to exercise their right to vote here.
I wouldn't call it hatred. I think that's a different beast. What I see is hypocrisy, arrogance and lack of self-awareness. Hypocrisy in the sense those who claim to value the individual and choice believe that those who choose differently than them have chosen the wrong way or haven't chosen at all meaning that they only believe there is one "right" answer to politics. Arrogance in the sense that the people in question believe that they know what is best for black Americans and should, in turn, decide which political persuasion is right for them. Lack of self-awareness in the sense that they believe black Americans lean liberal because they are "brainwashed" while ignoring that the conservatives in question accusations that many black Americans are "brainwashed, lazy, uncaring about their community" and a host of other things that might have an impact on which party they choose to vote for.
 
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Well, what party is responsible for enslaving blacks within our welfare system? Which party made sure they got a hand out instead of a hand up? And which party has tried the hardest to reform that system?
you object to the word 'hatred' as over the top but then speak to us of ENSLAVING blacks
absurd
but indicative of the reason why black voters run from your party and those who populate it
 
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you object to the word 'hatred' as over the top but then speak to us of ENSLAVING blacks
absurd. but indicative of the reason why black voters run from your party and those who populate it

What does having the opinion that welfare programs that in the past have offered a handout instead of a hand up is just another form of marginalizing and figuratively enslaving black people have to do with hating them?
 
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Well, what party is responsible for enslaving blacks within our welfare system? Which party made sure they got a hand out instead of a hand up? And which party has tried the hardest to reform that system?
"Enslaving"? Really? Hyperbolic much?

Also, I'm trying to figure out what conservatives really believe. One day, I hear that people on welfare choose to be in that position (aka "personal responsibility). The next day I hear that Democrats have enslaved blacks. So which is it? It can't be both. Either people choose to get to their position in life or the Democrats are enslaving people.
 
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"Enslaving"? Really? Hyperbolic much?

Also, I'm trying to figure out what conservatives really believe. One day, I hear that people on welfare choose to be in that position (aka "personal responsibility). The next day I hear that Democrats have enslaved blacks. So which is it? It can't be both. Either people choose to get to their position in life or the Democrats are enslaving people.

That is kind or narrow minded. The truth is it is probably a little of both without being exactly either.
 
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What does having the opinion that welfare programs that in the past have offered a handout instead of a hand up is just another form of marginalizing and figuratively enslaving black people have to do with hating them?

because, as you will note in the "what is the new definition of racism" thread: "racism" now = "conservativism" for the purposes of discussion :).
 
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"Enslaving"? Really? Hyperbolic much?

Also, I'm trying to figure out what conservatives really believe. One day, I hear that people on welfare choose to be in that position (aka "personal responsibility). The next day I hear that Democrats have enslaved blacks. So which is it? It can't be both. Either people choose to get to their position in life or the Democrats are enslaving people.

:shrug: to an extent you could argue that slaves "chose" to be there too, as they obviously decided that slavery was better than being killed for trying to run away.

Democrats enable dependency on the welfare state, effectively making it harder for people to escape poverty, thus trapping them in a destructive, multi-generational cycle.

That may be a better way of depicting what we are trying to get at.
 
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