Are all black men brainwashed? (Read Warning: post #540)

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ReverendHellh0und said:

So typical white people act in such a prejudiced way?

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Umm yes, generally that is the case. It's true that not all white people overtly use racial epithets or stereotypes; that's probably more related to Obama's grandmother's generation, which grew up in an openly racist society.

But often discrimination is more subtle. White people are more likely to be perceived as competent workers than minorities, even under exactly the same circumstances. Blacks are more likely to be arrested for possession of marijuana than whites, despite actually using marijuana LESS than whites.

I remember reading a study a while back, where psychologists showed white participants a political commercial which urged them to oppose a certain government social program for the poor. After they watched the commercial, the psychologists surveyed them to find out their views on the program. Unbeknownst to the participants, the psychologists actually showed them one of two versions of the same commercial. The two versions were identical except in one version, there is an image of a black family claiming benefits, and in the other version there is an image of a white family claiming benefits. The people who watched the version with the black family were MUCH less likely to support the program. So yes, the key to getting white people to oppose government assistance to the poor seems to be to subtly remind them that the assistance helps black people. (Republicans figured this out a long time ago.)

Racial prejudice is a lot more entrenched in our society than merely being able to get through a conversation with a black person without blurting out "nigger."

Please redress, others, the kid who loves to tell me how much he ignores me, Can you explain how this statement doesn't cast white people in a racist light?

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Obama's statement is mostly accurate, and even if it wasn't, racism against white people is nowhere close to on par with racism against black people...and trying to draw a false equivalence between the two is usually rooted in racial resentment.

Once again, another poster tries to infer that I am a racist or harbors "racial resentment". I find this practice rather vile, and cheapens the real issue of racism in this country. Shame on you.

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Kandahar said:

Wrong. Black people ARE offended by those statements or we wouldn't be having this discussion. They didn't need a pat on the head from their liberal massa to know what Rick Perry was really talking about when he declared that South Carolina was at war with the federal government (and he did it in response to a voting rights question...on MLK Day). That isn't just ME being offended, that's actual black people being offended. And as long as Republicans continue to use rhetoric filled with racist code words like that, which they know perfectly well offends black people regardless of white Republican views of whether or not they "should" be offended, they will continue to win less than 10% of the black vote.

You can rationalize it all you want and explain to black people why they "shouldn't" be offended...or you can simply acknowledge that they take offense and stop doing it. The fact that you apparently want to go the first route indicates a very deep-seated prejudice.

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So you have decided that blacks are and should be offended by those statements. As I said all you have is the race card and you are telling blacks what and how to think.

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Dion said:

The Democrats have supported civil rights issues. It was a North v. South issue on that vote and filibuster.

I was speaking collectively of numerous civil rights issues and certainly not excluding individual republicans support.

My point was on one reason many black people support the D party.

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At the end of the day Democrats filibustered the civil rights act.

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Hatuey said:

Actually... that's kind of how it's gone. We're told we can't be offended by certain people saying nigger and not others because... well... white people like you will complain because we are not following some invented form of consistency you think you have to follow. :shrug:.

I mean honestly - I've heard certain white kids say it to their black friends. I don't get offended. They're not saying it to me. However I do get offended if somebody uses it to me and I've at no point joked around on that level with them. Tucker, The Rev and Kanda? Doesn't bother me. Caine, Empirica and Joko? Different story. Context is usually key in who can and can't offend but you've yet to tell us where you draw the line on the brain washing sand so I don't expect you to get why it's offensive when some use it and not others.

The problem is a simple one. If black people think you're an asshole, you saying nigger, nigga or whatever - will - offend them. If they don't? They won't make a fuss. Daniel Tosh? That white dude could roll through Compton yelling nigga and niggas would wave at him. Rush Limbaugh? Not so much. It's not cause Daniel Tosh has a privilege that Rush Limbaugh doesn't have. It's because we know Daniel Tosh isn't doing it to make his white friends in the South smile and wink.

Now here is a simple test: Go up to your black friends, if you have any, joke around, then throw nigga around. If they don't care, you're not an asshole. If they punch you in the face.... well.... there's your sign.

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Interesting you can't defend the original statements we are talking about, you have to use the term "nigga" as a straw man, next.

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sawyerloggingon said:

At the end of the day Democrats filibustered the civil rights act.

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Yeah and now it's a different party, so what?

At the end of the day Republicans use to be about Small government.

They're not anymore.

Parties change.

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Jetboogieman said:

Yeah and now it's a different party, so what?

At the end of the day Republicans use to be about Small government.

They're not anymore.

Parties change.

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Different parties huh, until very recently Democrats had a KKK member as one of their longest sitting senators and this BS about all the racist going to the Republican party is a myth, a fabrication to distort history. Dem's filibustered the civil rights act, the same Dem's who retired from the Senate as a Dem at a ripe old age.

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Redress said:

See, this is why conservatives never understand why they drive away blacks and women. Let me explain: blacks are proportionally far more likely to, for whatever reason, be low income. Republican budget plan calls for changing tax brackets making the top end pay much less, but to offset this wants to cut unspecified tax loopholes. Now we all know that some of those loopholes and deductions will be ones that low income people use too. Therefore the republicans want to cut taxes for the mostly rich white guys, while raising taxes on the poorer people, who are, guess what, much more likely to be black. But it is brainwashing for blacks to vote democrat...

Then you have republic ans passing bills requiring women to get objects shoved up their vagina to exercise their constitutional rights. Man, can't imagine why women would not rush to vote republican...

And that is the crux. Without identifying gender or race, republican policy still is aimed at to benefit those who are, mostly, white, and mostly male.

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You've shown nothing in that Republican budget proposal that shows Republicans are targetting "poor people" for the benefit of "rich people." Low income people don't even pay income tax. I don't know how you can say cutting out tax loopholes will hurt them one twit. Cutting tax deductions or loopholes is directly impacting higher income individuals. Ya' know? No matter WHAT Republicans do, there will be those unthinking women and lower-income people who will not take the time to understand. They just keep on drinkin' the Kool Aid. And, oh, how the Democrats love that.

Hatuey said:

Actually... that's kind of how it's gone. We're told we can't be offended by certain people saying nigger and not others because... well... white people like you will complain because we are not following some invented form of consistency you think you have to follow. :shrug:.

I mean honestly - I've heard certain white kids say it to their black friends. I don't get offended. They're not saying it to me. However I do get offended if somebody uses it to me and I've at no point joked around on that level with them. Tucker, The Rev and Kanda? Doesn't bother me. Caine, Empirica and Joko? Different story. Context is usually key in who can and can't offend but you've yet to tell us where you draw the line on the brain washing sand so I don't expect you to get why it's offensive when some use it and not others.

The problem is a simple one. If black people think you're an asshole, you saying nigger, nigga or whatever - will - offend them. If they don't? They won't make a fuss. Daniel Tosh? That white dude could roll through Compton yelling nigga and niggas would wave at him. Rush Limbaugh? Not so much. It's not cause Daniel Tosh has a privilege that Rush Limbaugh doesn't have. It's because we know Daniel Tosh isn't doing it to make his white friends in the South smile and wink.

Now here is a simple test: Go up to your black friends, if you have any, joke around, then throw nigga around. If they don't care, you're not an asshole. If they punch you in the face.... well.... there's your sign.

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Perhaps someday we'll live in a world when every white person can call a black person "nigger." Wow. I just can't wait. /sarcasm

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MaggieD said:

You've shown nothing in that Republican budget proposal that shows Republicans are targetting "poor people" for the benefit of "rich people." Low income people don't even pay income tax. I don't know how you can say cutting out tax loopholes will hurt them one twit. Cutting tax deductions or loopholes is directly impacting higher income individuals. Ya' know? No matter WHAT Republicans do, there will be those unthinking women and lower-income people who will not take the time to understand. They just keep on drinkin' the Kool Aid. And, oh, how the Democrats love that.

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in fact one could argue the opposite, elitist rich liberals are not as affected as those making 100k or so when they cackle on about "capitol gains taxes" etc, they don't get hurt, but those trying to climb the ladder they climbed, have a longer harder ladder now.

I find many liberal policies enable a dependent class that doesn't want to better themselves, it's sad...

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sawyerloggingon said:

Different parties huh, until very recently Democrats had a KKK member as one of their longest sitting senators and this BS about all the racist going to the Republican party is a myth, a fabrication to distort history. Dem's filibustered the civil rights act, the same Dem's who retired from the Senate as a Dem at a ripe old age.

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You have some reading to do on why the bold doesn't have the significance for the current Dems you think it does:

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ReverendHellh0und said:

Once again, another poster tries to infer that I am a racist or harbors "racial resentment". I find this practice rather vile, and cheapens the real issue of racism in this country. Shame on you.

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Umm the "real issue of racism in this country" is EXACTLY this practice. The real issue of racism is not a handful of hillbillies burning crosses on lawns; that's a rare occurrence and everyone knows those people are idiots. The real issues of racism are the subtle forms of prejudice which people often don't even realize, and the ridiculous belief that racism happens against everyone so we're all on equal footing. It absolutely is rooted in racial resentment when people feel the need to respond to any mention of racism against blacks (which is a real problem in this country) with "what about racism against whites?" (which is not a problem), as though the two were remotely comparable.

You can see this crystal clear in any thread that mentions racism against blacks, however casually. Certain posters will ALWAYS pipe in to either say it isn't "really" racism, or when that won't work, to draw up some contrived example of racism against whites. What is their motivation for doing this? Obviously they feel defensive about something. I can't imagine what that something might be. :roll:

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sawyerloggingon said:

So you have decided that blacks are and should be offended by those statements. As I said all you have is the race card and you are telling blacks what and how to think.

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No. Blacks THEMSELVES are offended by those statements...if they weren't offended then I wouldn't care. It offends *me* when people continue to make those statements knowing perfectly well that it offends them. And it offends *me* when people try to argue about whether they "should" be offended, as though their opinion trumped the opinions of actual black people.

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Kandahar said:

It absolutely is rooted in racial resentment when certain individuals feel the need to respond to any mention of racism against blacks (which is a real problem in this country) with "what about racism against whites?" (which is not a problem), as though the two were remotely comparable.

You can see this crystal clear in any thread that mentions racism against blacks, however casually. Certain posters will ALWAYS pipe in to either say it isn't "really" racism, or when that won't work, to draw up some contrived example of racism against whites. What is their motivation for doing this? Obviously they feel defensive about something. I can't imagine what that something might be. :roll:

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I just see people as people, Growing up on the lower east side of NYC, and in Newark, NJ, race tends to disappear and you just see people. I find your contention to reek with suburban "white guilt" ignorance, and a flippant care to the actual problem of racism in this country. Again, you do a disservice to the real issue of racism, and I find the behavior of inferring others you have no clue about, as "racist" or harboring "racial resentment" vile and abhorrent.




And as for "piping in"? That would have been hatuey, To which I responded to his post, accuratley and topically to his remark.


This one, if you are confused:

Hatuey said:

Can you imagine if Obama said "many white men are brainwashed" or "white men are brainwashed"? Lol. We'd never heard the end of the bitching. Just notice how much bitching came out of him saying a black kid could look like his son if he had one.

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He basically, did say, white people were brainwashed, not in so many words, but when he says a certain behavior among white people is "typical", just what do you think that comes from?

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MaggieD said:

You've shown nothing in that Republican budget proposal that shows Republicans are targetting "poor people" for the benefit of "rich people." Low income people don't even pay income tax. I don't know how you can say cutting out tax loopholes will hurt them one twit. Cutting tax deductions or loopholes is directly impacting higher income individuals. Ya' know?

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The Ryan budget absolutely decimates anti-poverty social programs. The CBPP estimates that 62% of the budget cuts come from programs targeted toward low-income people, and 37% of the tax benefits go to people earning more than $1 million.

No matter WHAT Republicans do, there will be those unthinking women and lower-income people who will not take the time to understand. They just keep on drinkin' the Kool Aid. And, oh, how the Democrats love that.

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Racism and misogyny all rolled into one sentence. Keep on going with that attitude, and I'm sure Republicans will win those voters back. After all, they have nothing to be offended about...because you say so. :roll:

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Kandahar said:

No. Blacks THEMSELVES are offended by those statements...if they weren't offended then I wouldn't care. It offends *me* when people continue to make those statements knowing perfectly well that it offends them. And it offends *me* when people try to argue about whether they "should" be offended, as though their opinion trumped the opinions of actual black people.

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I'm not sure what statements you're talking about, but part of the reason we have a failure to communicate is because some people (black/white/green) see racism behind every bush. When Obama said, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin," some people just couldn't wait to label that a racist remark. It wasn't. And to so label it, in my opinion, is the poster child for everything that's wrong with race relations in this country.

On the other hand, the fact that blacks have no problem using the word "nigger," in the right setting by the right people, is another example. It's a nasty derogatory term. Always has been. It ought die a natural death. Why on earth would blacks use it among themselves. *Shakes head*

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ReverendHellh0und said:

Anyway, back at the computer for a moment before heading off to the gym, a quick good found wikapedia with the speech.

A More Perfect Union (speech) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia









So typical white people act in such a prejudiced way? Please redress, others, the kid who loves to tell me how much he ignores me, Can you explain how this statement doesn't cast white people in a racist light?

Please as I've asked for years of you, put it in context for The Good Reverend.

Let's try it without the hysterics, and without the insults that are nothing but attempts to divert....

Thanks, impdaddy:

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What he is describing is not racism. Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

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What he is describing is his grandmother was something that is not uncommon in white people. A slight fear of that which is different, a negative reaction built on stereotypes, and an avoidance of those other races. This is not racism, and is something that many people from my generation and ones before feel. I noticed when I moved down to Georgia that there really are a lot more black people than I am used to and find myself uncomfortable when in a group of blacks. I was rather surprised by this and kinda felt guilty about it. But it's not racism. I don't think blacks are inferior, I do not treat them differently. I am just uncomfortable.

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Kandahar said:

You can see this crystal clear in any thread that mentions racism against blacks, however casually. Certain posters will ALWAYS pipe in to either say it isn't "really" racism, or when that won't work, to draw up some contrived example of racism against whites. What is their motivation for doing this? Obviously they feel defensive about something. I can't imagine what that something might be. :roll:

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Actually, the racial identity development theories are quite useful in understanding why people do this. What you are describing is called the "resistance" stage of white racial identity development and it's fairly normal for white folks to go through it and many get" stuck" in it as well.

The most entertaining thing about racial identity development theory is how you can determine exactly what stage a person is currently in based enitrely on their reaction to the theories themselves.

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Kandahar said:

The Ryan budget absolutely decimates anti-poverty social programs. The CBPP estimates that 62% of the budget cuts come from programs targeted toward low-income people, and 37% of the tax benefits go to people earning more than $1 million.

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I'd like to see a link on that, Kandahar.

Racism and misogyny all rolled into one sentence. Keep on going with that attitude, and I'm sure Republicans will win those voters back. After all, they have nothing to be offended about...because you say so. :roll:

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What the hell are you talking about? Now you see racism in that post? Misogyny? Good lord.

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MaggieD said:

You've shown nothing in that Republican budget proposal that shows Republicans are targetting "poor people" for the benefit of "rich people." Low income people don't even pay income tax. I don't know how you can say cutting out tax loopholes will hurt them one twit. Cutting tax deductions or loopholes is directly impacting higher income individuals. Ya' know? No matter WHAT Republicans do, there will be those unthinking women and lower-income people who will not take the time to understand. They just keep on drinkin' the Kool Aid. And, oh, how the Democrats love that.

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If you are in the top rates, your rate will be lower. When deductions are cut, well, deductions are taken by people at all economic spectrums. The reason many people do not pay taxes is because of deductions. Now, if you do not have a rate cut, and you cannot take a deduction, what happens to your tax bill? This is not a difficult question. It's pretty straitforward and is why republicans refuse to name a single deduction they are going to eliminate, even though eliminating deductions is how they are goiung to pay for the cut of the top rate.

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sawyerloggingon said:

When 92% of any voting block votes the same you have to wonder wtf is going on. Thinking people have diverse opinions so being brainwashed is a good theory until a better one comes along.

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Nobody except Conservatives wonder what's going on. The rest of us understand it pretty well. When your political party spends its time devising thing like 'the southern strategy' and whining about welfare and Willie Horton ads on tv and proclaiming how wonderful states rights were, especially in the South (Segregation) and how all those conservative southern democrats became members of that party after the Civil Rights Act, it's hardly surprising that black people think they're a joke.

How many black Republican members of Congress are there? I forget.

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ReverendHellh0und said:

I just see people as people, Growing up on the lower east side of NYC, and in Newark, NJ, race tends to disappear and you just see people.

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I'm not talking about white people secretly harboring grudges against black people and spending time thinking about how they can screw them over. It's generally more subtle than that. And I don't doubt at all that many people exhibiting these prejudices will swear up and down that they aren't racist, and truly believe it.

I find your contention to reek with suburban "white guilt" ignorance,

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I live in downtown Washington, DC. :2wave:

and a flippant care to the actual problem of racism in this country.

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OK, well let's try this: I've already explained what I see as the "actual problem of racism in this country" (i.e. subtle forms of prejudice that people don't even realize, and believing that everyone is on equal footing in terms of racism). So what DO you think is the "actual problem of racism in this country," if not this?

Again, you do a disservice to the real issue of racism, and I find the behavior of inferring others you have no clue about, as "racist" or harboring "racial resentment" vile and abhorrent.

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And I think that attempting to draw a false equivalence between racism against minorities and racism against whites is vile and abhorrent, as it is a roundabout way of saying that racism isn't a problem anymore and minorities should just get over it.

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Redress said:

If you are in the top rates, your rate will be lower. When deductions are cut, well, deductions are taken by people at all economic spectrums. The reason many people do not pay taxes is because of deductions. Now, if you do not have a rate cut, and you cannot take a deduction, what happens to your tax bill? This is not a difficult question. It's pretty straitforward and is why republicans refuse to name a single deduction they are going to eliminate, even though eliminating deductions is how they are goiung to pay for the cut of the top rate.

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I'm going to have to think about that. On its face, I would agree with you. On to Google!

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The Wisconsin Republican claims his budget offsets the tax dollars lost to the tax cuts for upper-income Americans by eliminating tax loopholes, tax shelters and many tax deductions estimated at an incredible $4.6 trillion over 10 years. But while Ryan specifies the cuts in tax rates, he never identifies the giant tax breaks he wants to kill.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012...ing-into-trap-with-ryan-budget/#ixzz1rH0eId6C

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The fact that Ryan doesn't clearly identify exactly what he's recommending is a bunch of ****. I wasn't aware of this -- thanks.

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MaggieD said:

On the other hand, the fact that blacks have no problem using the word "nigger," in the right setting by the right people, is another example. It's a nasty derogatory term. Always has been. It ought die a natural death. Why on earth would blacks use it among themselves. *Shakes head*

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Words always have different meanings depending on how they are used. How would I react if someone called me a mother****er? Maybe anything from amusement to fear...depends who it was and what the context was.

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MaggieD said:

I've already told you that I was going to go back edit it to "many black men." But you don't want to hear that. You want to call me out in a post.

My vote is "No," by the way.

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Same here.

Notice there are three individuals who still voted "yes" under the "all black men" condition. Were they just trying to be funny, or do they actually believe such nonsense?

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Redress said:

What he is describing is not racism. Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Ahh semantics, ok, let's call it prejudice and bigotry then, ok?

What he is describing is his grandmother was something that is not uncommon in white people.

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Uncommon is a much softer word than "typical" wouldn't you say, and once he makes the distinction towards, "white" he's making it racial, I am sure it is not "uncommon" for certain black folks to act a certain way around white people, Would I call it "typical"? Nahh... I tend to try not to stereotype people.

A slight fear of that which is different, a negative reaction built on stereotypes, and an avoidance of those other races. This is not racism, and is something that many people from my generation and ones before feel. I noticed when I moved down to Georgia that there really are a lot more black people than I am used to and find myself uncomfortable when in a group of blacks. I was rather surprised by this and kinda felt guilty about it. But it's not racism. I don't think blacks are inferior, I do not treat them differently. I am just uncomfortable.

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Thank you for your anecdotal, I am not sure however how to apply it. again, I am willing to expand the definition of "Racism" to cover bigotry and prejudice, but if you are not comfortable with it, let's keep it separate, I think, both your anecdotal and Obama's demonstrates prejudice, something that is really foreign to me when it comes to race relations, Maybe I am blissfully ignorant, but I've only seen people as people....


What started this was hatuey made a statement, my response was appropriate, as for the topic, i don't think black people are any more "brainwashed" than white people.