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Are all black men brainwashed? (Read Warning: post #540)

Are all black men brainwashed?

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Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

digsbe said:
Brainwashed meaning what exactly? And no, I don't think all people in any group are brainwashed into anything. But then again I also think it's poor form to call out another user by quoting a post they made a mistake in and arguing based on that single word mistake.
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Agreed, but it is a topic that I have pondered many times before, so I am participating in this discussion for that reason.
 
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digsbe said:
Brainwashed meaning what exactly? And no, I don't think all people in any group are brainwashed into anything. But then again I also think it's poor form to call out another user by quoting a post they made a mistake in and arguing based on that single word mistake.
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I think at this point most people are amending the statement to read "many" instead of "every". It still warrants separate discussion using that terminology.
 
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MaggieD said:
I could just weep.
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The moral of the story here is be careful what you post lol. You don't want to fall victim to what I call the "sexting teenager syndrome."
 
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Meathead said:
Brainwashing may too strong a term, but I do think there is an element of that with those who consider themselves victims in perpetuity because others have continually pointed this out.
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or they may consider themselves victims because they have personally felt the sting of victimization/racism
 
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American said:
You know this thread was specifically setup to give you a beatdown, right?
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Oh yeah. :rofl

For those who haven't read Games People Play, one of the "games" is called, "NOW I've gotcha', you son of a bitch." Most of us on DP play that game now and then. Some play it more than others.
 
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MaggieD said:
In the sense I was talking about, white men? No. Last one? I don't think anyone is trying to subliminally feed them excuses for being poor or not having a good job.
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And this does not make it any better. Brainwashing seems to you to be dependent on one issue, and one method. That is just stupid. If you make it less stupid, then you have some people being more resistant to the continuous attempts to brainwash us every day than others. What you are probably really doing is attempting to marginalize those who do not feel the same way you do about things.
 
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Tucker Case said:
I think at this point most people are amending the statement to read "many" instead of "every". It still warrants separate discussion using that terminology.
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Maybe so, and it may give people a "pass" as far as being called a racist. Although in some circumstances I think it is appropriate.

If we are talking about the overwhelming majority of back men who vote Democrat then using the term "many" is accurate. Although making the statement that many vote Democrat because they are brainwashed may be racist (especially if it is implied that they do so purely bring brainwashing/lack of intelligence).
 
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Redress said:
And this does not make it any better. Brainwashing seems to you to be dependent on one issue, and one method. That is just stupid. If you make it less stupid, then you have some people being more resistant to the continuous attempts to brainwash us every day than others. What you are probably really doing is attempting to marginalize those who do not feel the same way you do about things.
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*Sigh* It doesn't depend on one issue. Many people will succeed or fail in life based on what's been pre-programmed in their heads. Where I made that comment was in a thread where the discussion had rolled around to the difference between the black community's reaction to Martin/Zimmerman as opposed to the fact that 300+ black-on-black murders have happened since. But I suspect you know that.

I'm not defending my "all" - statement. I told PlayDrive I was going to edit it to say "many." The edit feature had closed. (I believe...I'm not even sure about that.) Nonetheless, I admitted that was wrong. So shoot me.
 
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The APA officially does not believe in brainwashing.
 
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digsbe said:
Maybe so, and it may give people a "pass" as far as being called a racist. Although in some circumstances I think it is appropriate.

If we are talking about the overwhelming majority of back men who vote Democrat then using the term "many" is accurate. Although making the statement that many vote Democrat because they are brainwashed may be racist (especially if it is implied that they do so purely bring brainwashing/lack of intelligence).
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I wasn't even thinking of the racism aspect, to be honest. I think a lot of people assume that the only way someone could disagree with them about a certain issue would be if they are brainwashed.

Ironically, the entire idea that many black people are "brainwashed" into supporting programs that "keep them down" could be described as a form of brainwashing in and of itself since very few people who say such things actually came to that conclusion on their own from their own research and analysis.

In the vast majority of instances, they are merely regurgitating something they heard someone else say which they automatically believed without ever putting in the effort to research the veracity of the claim.

Now while that could be described as brainwashing, I would just call it "normal" since most people seem to do this type of thing regardless of what side of the fence they are on.
 
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I don't see any evidence of brainwashing in the general public. Mostly, people do what they want.
 
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I think we are, along with every other race in this country. And the evidence to back it up is the crap these politicians get away with.

1) Democratic politicians convince people that Bush was involve with 911.
2) Republican politicians convince people that Obama hated America (Glen Beck).

That is why politics is good business because people in this country are emotional and not logical thinker.
 
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MaggieD said:
Where I made that comment was in a thread where the discussion had rolled around to the difference between the black community's reaction to Martin/Zimmerman as opposed to the fact that 300+ black-on-black murders have happened since.
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How do you know what the black communities reaction to black on black violence is?

It certainly doesn't make the news around here too often. Have you ever actually been to any of the rallies on that specific subject in Englewood or a similar neighborhood around here? Have you ever been in Englewood?
 
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rcart76 said:
I think we are, along with every other race in this country. And the evidence to back it up is the crap these politicians get away with.

1) Democratic politicians convince people that Bush was involve with 911.
2) Republican politicians convince people that Obama hated America (Glen Beck).

That is why politics is good business because people in this country are emotional and not logical thinker.
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Glenn beck is not a Republican politician.
 
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Tucker Case said:
I wasn't even thinking of the racism aspect, to be honest. I think a lot of people assume that the only way someone could disagree with them about a certain issue would be if they are brainwashed.
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I agree with this. And it is seen often where someone will say that the other only believes such a thing because they were brainwashed. Although the person arguing can never be brainwashed into holding their opinion. The opinion that disagreeing opinions stem from brainwashing may be brainwashing in and of itself.

That's why everyone should stick with having a dirty mind, because if it's washed there may be something wrong :lol:
Ironically, the entire idea that many black people are "brainwashed" into supporting programs that "keep them down" could be described as a form of brainwashing in and of itself since very few people who say such things actually came to that conclusion on their own from their own research and analysis.
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Agreed.
In the vast majority of instances, they are merely regurgitating something they heard someone else say which they automatically believed without ever putting in the effort to research the veracity of the claim.

Now while that could be described as brainwashing, I would just call it "normal" since most people seem to do this type of thing regardless of what side of the fence they are on.
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I also agree with this. My view of brainwashing is similar to what the Nazis tried to do Jewish image in Germany. They would push that Jews were evil and tried to warp ethics into justifying this like the Holocaust and other atrocities. When political pundits say things I don't really view it as brainwashing, because many of those pundits push what they think is true and really believe what they say. I think the act of brainwashing in the common sense of the term has to do largely with the intent of the brainwasher.
 
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This is actually pretty interesting. I was going through the responses and allot of them ring true to at least some degree.

I would not call it brainwashing as that is not what it is. There is however a strange dichotomy of hopelessness and group think among a majority of blacks. It is the result of years of slavery and Jim Crow, the creation of the welfare state and finally drugs and the drug war. The introduction of crack cocaine was and is probably the single greatest threat not only to, but accelerating the downfall of the black family unit. Now drugs affect every walk of life, but the black community was hit particularly hard. All of these things have contributed to some degree to the downfall of the black family structure and community as a whole.

With a culture so decimated over such a long period of time, to many gave up and taught this to others. So the cycle is now firmly in place and killing us as a people.

So now the easy way out is seen to be the right way. Doing well in school makes you a slave to the white man and open to ridicule, while selling drugs is accepted and promoted as a way to succeed. Speaking ghetto slang is not only promoted but accepted by idiots running our schools. Speaking good english makes you an uncle Tom or less black. The "house nigger" mentality still exists to this day, and the darkness/lightness of your skin can still open you up to ridicule among your own.

So after all this people wonder why someone would think we could possibly be brainwashed? Not really a huge leap.

So the Democratic party is seen as the savior in the US, because they proclaim to be the party that cares about blacks and the needs of the black community. So in the end it really is not brain washing. It is black people reaching out for something or someone for hope.

Unfortunately to many do not see our system for what it is. Two party's that are two sides of the same coin out for one thing... Their own power and greed.
 
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Tucker Case said:
How do you know what the black communities reaction to black on black violence is?

It certainly doesn't make the news around here too often. Have you ever been to any of the rallies out in Englewood?
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I was never commenting on the black community's reaction to it. I was opining that Jackson/Sharpton/The Black Congressional Caucus should give more attention the fact that over 300 blacks were murdered by blacks since Martin was killed. THAT is an even bigger tragedy. Kids shot on their way to school. Standing on street corners. Playing out in front of their houses. Sitting on their porches. And that goes on every day. Where is the outrage, where are the cameras, where are the Washington politicians, various state governors, movie stars, yada yada yada, over THAT stark reality?
 
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Blackdog said:
This is actually pretty interesting. I was going through the responses and allot of them ring true to at least some degree.

I would not call it brainwashing as that is not what it is. There is however a strange dichotomy of hopelessness and group think among a majority of blacks. It is the result of years of slavery and Jim Crow, the creation of the welfare state and finally drugs and the drug war. The introduction of crack cocaine was and is probably the single greatest threat not only to, but accelerating the downfall of the black family unit. Now drugs affect every walk of life, but the black community was hit particularly hard. All of these things have contributed to some degree to the downfall of the black family structure and community as a whole.

With a culture so decimated over such a long period of time, to many gave up and taught this to others. So the cycle is now firmly in place and killing us as a people.

So now the easy way out is seen to be the right way. Doing well in school makes you a slave to the white man and open to ridicule, while selling drugs is accepted and promoted as a way to succeed. Speaking ghetto slang is not only promoted but accepted by idiots running our schools. Speaking good english makes you an uncle Tom or less black. The "house nigger" mentality still exists to this day, and the darkness/lightness of your skin can still open you up to ridicule among your own.

So after all this people wonder why someone would think we could possibly be brainwashed? Not really a huge leap.

So the Democratic party is seen as the savior in the US, because they proclaim to be the party that cares about blacks and the needs of the black community. So in the end it really is not brain washing. It is black people reaching out for something or someone for hope.

Unfortunately to many do not see our system for what it is. Two party's that are two sides of the same coin out for one thing... Their own power and greed.
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Very well said.
 
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MaggieD said:
I was never commenting on the black community's reaction to it. I was opining that Jackson/Sharpton/The Black Congressional Caucus should give more attention the fact that over 300 blacks were murdered by blacks since Martin was killed. THAT is an even bigger tragedy. Kids shot on their way to school. Standing on street corners. Playing out in front of their houses. Sitting on their porches. And that goes on every day. Where is the outrage, where are the cameras, where are the Washington politicians, various state governors, movie stars, yada yada yada, over THAT stark reality?
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The black community doesn't control where the cameras go. Protesting the violence in the black community doesn't get nearly as much airtime. It's not controversial enough for the modern media. It doesn't garner ratings, and it doesn't get white people bickering.

But ironically, just last week on Fox Chicago this story ran:



Did you miss that in all your outrage over your perception of the lack of outrage? Granted, that one made the news because Dwayne Wade's nephew was shot. Those kinds of rallies happen all the time without getting any airtime.

Jackson and Sharpton are douchebag camera hounds who only go where there are cameras (and they don't decide where those cameras will be). they are a piss poor metric to judge the black communities outrage over the killings in their neighborhoods.
 
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Tucker Case said:
The black community doesn't control where the cameras go. Protesting the violence in the black community doesn't get nearly as much airtime. It's not controversial enough for the modern media. It doesn't garner ratings, and it doesn't get white people bickering.

But ironically, just last week on Fox Chicago this story ran:



Did you miss that in all your outrage over your perception of the lack of outrage? Granted, that one made th enews because Dwayne Wade's nephew was shot. Those kinds of rallies happen all the time.
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No, I didn't miss it. Your "Granted...." statement is telling, of course. On what page of the newspaper is it being covered today?
 
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MaggieD said:
No, I didn't miss it. Your "Granted...." statement is telling, of course. On what page of the newspaper is it being covered today?
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It's probably already out of the newspaper. It doesn't get ratings or sell papers.

There are still rallies, though. There is still outrage. What there isn't is white interest in those stories. White people aren't outraged. They are outraged over the Martin/Zimmerman thing. Either they are outraged that Zimmerman is still free, or they are outraged that people are making it about race.

White outrage is what sells advertising slots.
 
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Tucker Case said:
It's probably already out of the newspaper. It doesn't get ratings or sell papers.

There are still rallies, though. There is still outrage. What there isn't is white interest in those stories.
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Well, I'm going to have to think about that for a while. You may be on to something.
 
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