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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think Maggie is right though. A good answer could be a larger number of smaller schools and choice by parents where to send them. This could take the form of a voucher system or some other system, public, private, or a hybrid.

    I don't know if I would immediately go for a voucher system because government oversight would likely not be sufficient, but its a good organizing tool as it would inherently segregate parents who care from parents who don't and that would certainly help.


    what about the parents you do not give a rip about their kid's education
    unfortunately, there are a lot of them
    how are they going to choose the best school? probably based on which fly by night 'charter' school offers them the biggest kickback if they send their child to that school
    now that will really help the kid get a good education and escape their present condition [/s]
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, the problem as always is JOBS, there are not enough JOBS that match the skill set present. If your argument is that they need to increase their skill sets, sure, but to what?...and how does one do that while being un/under/employed? Good paying low-mid level jobs (manufacturing, municipal) have been decimated through off-shoring, automation and reduced state spending. The middle class is being divided where some have been able to push upwards while most are dropping down.

    Of course, most of your argument is based on the premise that "welfare" still exists at levels of the past. Did you skip the 90's?
    They can't increase their skill sets until they have a good education. They aren't getting a good education. Hell, in inner cities, they're not even getting an education. Their role models are often the drug dealers in the neighborhoods. The welfare system has all but destroyed their families. They've been screwed, blued and tattoed by a system that says, "Here, let me help you."
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what about the parents you do not give a rip about their kid's education
    unfortunately, there are a lot of them
    how are they going to choose the best school? probably based on which fly by night 'charter' school offers them the biggest kickback if they send their child to that school
    now that will really help the kid get a good education and escape their present condition [/s]
    Thats the advantage of a bunch of smaller schools. The parent can get a catalog and go "well this one is good at teaching science, that one is good at liberal arts, etc"

    The parents who bother to make a choice get first dibs. Everyone else just gets assigned. The segregation between parents who care and don't will happen

    Obviously, I am using an overly simplistic example because educational results are never clear cut or easily measurable. But likely, the sheer synergy of having good students in one place that feed off each other will do far more than teachers ever could. (teachers tend to have very little control over things like this)
    Last edited by tacomancer; 04-07-12 at 01:06 PM.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Have you now gotten the distinct impression that I don't care what you think?? Your constant baiting isn't lost on me, TPD. I'd put you on ignore, but it's just too darned much fun watching you act out.
    What? The post that you just quoted wasn't even a response to you. Moreover, my comments aren't based on the premise that you care. They are based on the premise that they are true and a great deal of them in this conversation have dealt with a lot of things beyond what you've said. Just give it a rest. Not everything I write is about you. Jesus Christ.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thats the advantage of a bunch of smaller schools. The parent can get a catalog and go "well this one is good at teaching science, that one is good at liberal arts, etc"

    The parents who bother to make a choice get first dibs. Everyone else just gets assigned. The segregation between parents who care and don't will happen

    Obviously, I am using an overly simplistic example because educational results are never clear cut or easily measurable. But likely, the sheer synergy of having good students in one place that feed off each other will do far more than teachers ever could. (teachers tend to have very little control over things like this)
    That segregation is one the main problems of the education system now. A voucher system would just keep that pattern. Why not spend our limited money and energy improving ALL schools with systems that have proven benefits instead of simply letting certain kids choose to go to other schools?

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what about the parents you do not give a rip about their kid's education
    unfortunately, there are a lot of them
    how are they going to choose the best school? probably based on which fly by night 'charter' school offers them the biggest kickback if they send their child to that school
    now that will really help the kid get a good education and escape their present condition [/s]
    Have a look at this one:

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I am amazed at the results we're seeing here in Chicago with three charter schools located in the inner city. Simply amazed.

    Called the Urban Prep Academy, this organization has three campuses. They began in 2006, starting with an enrollment of freshmen and now have all four years. with a 2011 enrollment 925 students over the three campuses. Entrance is determined by lottery.

    They have had two graduating classes since their inception. 100% of their students were accepted into college. Yes, that's right. 100%. Compared with 33% from Chicago Public Schools. These schools enroll African-American males; 85% low-income; 85% begin at Urban Prep reading below grade level. Their uniform is a suit and tie.

    30% leave Urban Prep Academy before completion -- compared to CPS's 61% drop-out rate.

    In 2009, 450 students received $8484 per student from CPS. They spent $11,533 receiving the balance of funding from charitable donations
    In 2009, CPS spent $15,000 per pupil.

    This is, in my opinion, a real breakthrough in education. I hope the right people are watching.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thats the advantage of a bunch of smaller schools. The parent can get a catalog and go "well this one is good at teaching science, that one is good at liberal arts, etc"

    The parents who bother to make a choice get first dibs. Everyone else just gets assigned.
    The segregation between parents who care and don't will happen
    but in public schools, such segregation does not happen (within a school district)
    each kid within that district has the same opportunity to get an education as any other
    that they have sorry parents who will expect a kick back from a for-profit school owner/operator will not impair the kid's educational opportunity - IF they are attending public school
    the voucher system only substitutes one problem for another. it does not move our education system forward
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    That segregation is one the main problems of the education system now. A voucher system would just keep that pattern. Why not spend our limited money and energy improving ALL schools with systems that have proven benefits instead of simply letting certain kids choose to go to other schools?
    The old adage, you can lead a horse to water, but not make him drink. If a student is not raised in a family culture that values education, they are more likely to follow that example. If they don't value something, no amount of help is going to chance that.

    What we can do though is, once there is a proven example, show it off and those who gave up hope will see something to hope for and begin to care again, thus raising the overall achievement level.

    So get the good students together, others will go "hey that works, I want to be a part of that" and the system should be able to spread.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Have a look at this one:
    that charter school is an excellent lab to explore what is being done right, so that those things can be exported to other schools
    i do not expect to see all of our schools operated so well
    for every good school like that there are many failed charter schools
    which causes me to recognize many children are going to get the short end of the educational stick if we move to a voucher system
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The old adage, you can lead a horse to water, but not make him drink. If a student is not raised in a family culture that values education, they are more likely to follow that example. If they don't value something, no amount of help is going to chance that.

    What we can do though is, once there is a proven example, show it off and those who gave up hope will see something to hope for and begin to care again, thus raising the overall achievement level.

    So get the good students together, others will go "hey that works, I want to be a part of that" and the system should be able to spread.
    Meh, there are already proven ways to improve the ENTIRE education system so that you can "make students drink" and they aren't vouchers or charter schools. I'd rather improve the entire system and not just say, "no amount of help is going to change that." That's last part is a myth and an unfortunate one at that.

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