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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonI View Post
    I guess people don't realize there are more white people on welfare than black people...
    That's no surprise. Blacks only make up only 12.3% of the population.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonI View Post
    I guess people don't realize there are more white people on welfare than black people...
    In absolutely numbers no. As a proportion, yes.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was pondering Maggie's eye opening post as I made my artery clogging sausage and cheese omelet and alot of thoughts went through my mind. The cynical and reactive side of me says the Reps need to do something to get blacks on their side, a reparations bill should do it. The problem is that is not a real fix and I don't want to see any Republican act like Johnson. The real fix here is education. Blacks have a 70% dropout rate and this needs to be changed if we want the black vote to change. There is a thirst in the black community for education and this is obvious when you see lines around the block in DC to get kids into private schools that Dem's fought tooth and nail to do away with.

    I listen to talk radio both right and left and I have noticed that black conservatives speak good English and seem educated, they talk about the jobs they have or business they own while their counterparts that call Ed and Thom speak Ebonicscs and whine about government programs being insufficient to live on. If people of any color are educated and become part of the working class and or entrepreneursrs they become more conservative. Higher education is run by the left and kids tend to be leftist but as they mature and succeed in life they tend to swing to the right. Many years ago a black man saved my life but unfortunately was killed before I had a chance to thank him. I was fortunate enough later on to be in a financial position to help his son go to college which was his dad's dream. The kid came out a lib but now is a successful business man and is very conservative so there ya go.

    Republicans need to fight a battle to keep black kids in school and get them educated.It will take a generation or two for this to effect the way blacks vote but it is a real fix and not a Johnson approach not to mention it is just the right thing to do and good for the country economically speaking.
    I can't think of any more noble cause than that, Sawyer. Not one.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't think so. The actual reality may be a mix of choice and influence, but the way certain people talk treats reality as black and white. If you believe that people are completely responsible for their position in life, then you can't also believe that they are being enslaved and brainwashed by another group.
    Well I agree that there are no absolutes here, but this does not mean it can't be said matter of factly, lol.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I can't think of any more noble cause than that, Sawyer. Not one.
    Yes, Maggie, because liberals don't want black kids to get an education or go to school and become successful

    Sawyer's post was half emotional appeal and half bull****.

    I suppose when President Obama speaks "articulately" he's suddenly a Republican?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    I also think part of the problem with this discussion is that the conservatives tend to believe that welfare in and of itself is the main destructive force of the ghettos or what not (if I am understanding the argument correctly). This may or may not be true as I have seen no real evidence one way or another from nonbiased sources. Personally, I think drugs, cultural issues, and poverty are the main problem.

    But regardless of its validity, this view tends to be inherent in the conservative view of the world and as such, I think they tend to make the mistake that most people make, that their view should be obvious to everyone (when that is almost never the case). So the question is "why can't these people this thing that is so obvious to me?" and the answer is "well something must be subverting them"

    And we get declarations like welfare is enslaving people, when the real answer is that people just have different points of view and regard common sense to be different things.

    This problem of perception (its obvious to me, so therefore I will make the assumption that what is obvious to me is obvious to you and therefore you disagreeing with me means that you are hiding something or are denying something) is all over this website. I see it in just about every thread.

    (edit, I am not trying to make the claim that only conservatives make this mistake, everyone does)
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yes, Maggie, because liberals don't want black kids to get an education or go to school and become successful

    Sawyer's post was half emotional appeal and half bull****.
    Both parties are failing our inner-city kids. Both of them. Whole generations down the freakin' tube because we can't get a handle on this problem and fix it. Most of these kids are doomed...set up for failure by an entity known as "our public school system."
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    people are trying to describe something to you, but you are mistaking the imagery for the thing itself.
    I read people's words. If people don't want me to think that they mean "blacks are brainwashed and enslaved", they shouldn't say "blacks are brainwashed and enslaved". If people don't want me to think that they mean everything is a matter of choice and personal responsibility, then they shouldn't say, "everything is a matter of choice and personal responsibility" and dismiss any alternative explanation as an "excuse".

    People should learn to stand by their comments instead of abandoning them at the first sign of trouble as is being done here by excusing arguments as mere "imagery" . Isn't that the essence of "personal responsibility"?

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yes, Maggie, because liberals don't want black kids to get an education or go to school and become successful

    Sawyer's post was half emotional appeal and half bull****.
    That is not what anyone means or said. It is not bull****, about blacks wanting their kids in private school etc. My daughter fought hard to get my grandchild into a private school because the public schools in and around Orlando are not great. Not saying the teachers are not trying, it's the atmosphere. Just not conducive to good learning.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Both parties are failing our inner-city kids. Both of them. Whole generations down the freakin' tube because we can't get a handle on this problem and fix it. Most of these kids are doomed...set up for failure by an entity known as "our public school system."
    Well, that we can agree on, but it's not a problem that's easily fixable.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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