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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    completely different circumstance
    not at all - that people become addicted to easy, free government handouts is precisely a portion of the conservative argument here.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not at all - that people become addicted to easy, free government handouts is precisely a portion of the conservative argument here.
    One is a chemical addiction that subverts the will of the individual

    The other is a life choice

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    meh, "choice" and "will" are not such bright lines. Talk to any recovering-addict group about the slavery of the substance in question, and you will see heads nodding.
    I'm not commenting on reality. I'm commenting on certain conservatives' perversion of reality - that is, one the one hand saying that everything is all choice and on the other hand, saying that people are enslaved and brainwashed.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    One is a chemical addiction that subverts the will of the individual
    you do realize that not all addictions involve something you ingest?


    think about how many times you have heard conservative commentators call welfare, extended unemployment benefits, etc., a "drug".

    you are free to disagree, if you like, but at least give us credence for believing what we claim to.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm not commenting on reality. I'm commenting on certain conservatives' perversion of reality - that is, one the one hand saying that everything is all choice and on the other hand, saying that people are enslaved and brainwashed.
    that is because you are setting up a false choice, a false dichotomy. rarely does humanity give us binary questions.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is kind or narrow minded. The truth is it is probably a little of both without being exactly either.
    That was kind of his point - people resort to hyperbole when the truth is somewhere in the middle.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Personally, my view is that people make the best choice they can, given the circumstance that is right in front of them at that moment.

    So, if their choices are limited for some reason, its going to affect their choice, which means, as a society, we should do what we can to give people the best options possible in regards to things not under their control (which for poor people, very little is under their control as it is inherent in being poor), as that is the best good we can do for each other in this sense.

    Alternatively, of those choices that they are available to make, they are responsible for making the best choice possible.

    Its not a matter of addiction, but what is the optimum choice, given a person's preferences, priorities, and whatever other external factors (such as their health, the state of their family or social life, etc). You can't call that slavery, it just doesn't work. I know what you are trying to say maggie, but you need a better word for it.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you do realize that not all addictions involve something you ingest?


    think about how many times you have heard conservative commentators call welfare, extended unemployment benefits, etc., a "drug".

    you are free to disagree, if you like, but at least give us credence for believing what we claim to.
    I realize that not all addictions are a choice, but there is no circumstance that I can imagine where someone goes "I have to go get that welfare payment or else I will go through horrible levels of shame/dispair/depression, whatever"

    Yeah, your example works in cases of things like sexual fetishes, ptsd, or whatever

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is because you are setting up a false choice, a false dichotomy. rarely does humanity give us binary questions.
    No, I'M not setting up a false choice. I am repeating the two positions that have been presented by certain conservatives and showing how they cannot possibly be compatible. The first position presented by those conservatives: Everything is a matter of choice and personal responsibility. The second: Blacks are enslaved and brainwashed by Democrats.

    Those things cannot coexist which is my point.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I realize that not all addictions are a choice,
    yup. but most are. you choose to ingest, you choose to partake.

    but there is no circumstance that I can imagine where someone goes "I have to go get that welfare payment or else I will go through horrible levels of shame/dispair/depression, whatever"
    ....never had to shake off an addiction, have you?

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