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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Correct. Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act provide health care primarily for low-income people, whereas Medicare is a universal program. Therefore these distinctions make sense.
    nah - repealing Obamacare isn't taking money from programs designed to help the poor. not least because Obamacare is currently helping no poor people.

    Since GDP at any given point in time is the same across all of these different programs, it shouldn't matter whether it's measured in terms of percentage of GDP or actual dollars. The results should be identical in either case.
    not at all, because it does not measure the fall relative to what the rise would otherwise have been. an example:

    Program A is currently 2% of GDP. It is slated to grow to 7% of GDP in 20 years, and then fall back to 5% 20 years after that.

    Program B is currently 1.5% of GDP. It is slated to grow to 3% of GDP in 20 years, and 5% of GDP 20 years after that.

    Cuts are enacted which reduce Program A to 4% of GDP in 20 years, and 3.5% of GDP 20 years after that. Klein would measure this as a 1.5% cut.

    Program B is cut to reduce it to 3.5% of GDP in 20 years, and maintain it at that level indefinitely. Klein would measure that as a 1.5% cut.

    both cuts are measured as equal, despite the fact that more actual money was cut out of Program A.

    Medicare spikes much higher over the next 25 years - which is why choosing 2050 (after the boomers have largely died off) isn't an accurate measure of relative cuts.

    This is incorrect, mathematically
    see above

    You complained that a 10-year time frame wasn't long enough, now you're complaining that a 40-year time frame is too long.
    no, I am complaining that cherry picking dates to make sure that you don't measure the lions' share of Medicare savings is deliberately cherry picking dates in order to avoid counting the lions' share of Medicare savings. I could just as easily prove that you never existed, so long as I was allowed to only include the dates of a year before your birth and a year after your death.

    What time frame *do* you want?
    I don't want a time frame. I want a total savings by program.

    The Affordable Care Act will cost the government quite a bit, yes. Most of which is offset by savings on private health care
    ah yes. because the Massachussetts model (which leftists are so keen to point out was the basis for Obamacare) demonstrates that this kind of structure is likely to bring down private healthcare costs? or bring down costs at all? what an interesting notion. and even if they did (which the evidence thus far strongly demonstrates it will not), private savings will improve the governments' deficit?

    Correct; the CBPP itemizes the programs that they are talking about:
    $2.4 trillion from Medicaid and other low-income health care programs
    two thirds of which are merely overturning Obamacare.

    $134 billion from SNAP (i.e. food stamps)
    this estimate comes from taking the savings that the federal government see's from turning it into a Block Grant and assumes that the States simply 100% drop the burden. Evil, evil state governments.

    Block Granting Federal programs and leaving the States to figure out solutions that best fit their own populaces is simply smart governance. Currently the incentive structures are deeply flawed, and encourage abuse of the programs by State politicians.

    $463 billion in other mandatory programs for low-income people
    $291 billion in discretionary programs for low-income people
    actually if you read your own source, you will note that they have merely assumed that these are low-income cuts. nice.


    and I am still waiting for one of you to square for me how Obama's Medicare cuts actually cut more for poor seniors, and start the cuts 8 years earlier for current retirees who have had no chance to plan.

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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Right, go back and show where I said effective rate? Nominal rates are going down..

    Pointing out that they are different does nothing. Nominal rates going down means you pay less, unless that is entirely offset by closing loopholes and eliminating deductions.
    precisely - what matters is not the nominal, but the effective tax rates.

    So the 20 % of those making less than 50k do not count now?
    if they are taking itemized deductions, then would you say it is likely that they are doing so because that reduces their tax bill?
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    precisely - what matters is not the nominal, but the effective tax rates.
    Right, but nominal affects effective.

    if they are taking itemized deductions, then would you say it is likely that they are doing so because that reduces their tax bill?
    And when those deductions go away(which is very possible since no one is willing to say what deductions), will they not be paying a higher effective tax rate? Which is the essensce of the change, reduce taxes for the wealthy, pay for it by higher taxes on the poor and middle class, and reduce programs that benefit those poor and middle class.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Umm yes, generally that is the case. It's true that not all white people overtly use racial epithets or stereotypes; that's probably more related to Obama's grandmother's generation, which grew up in an openly racist society.

    But often discrimination is more subtle. White people are more likely to be perceived as competent workers than minorities, even under exactly the same circumstances. Blacks are more likely to be arrested for possession of marijuana than whites, despite actually using marijuana LESS than whites.

    I remember reading a study a while back, where psychologists showed white participants a political commercial which urged them to oppose a certain government social program for the poor. After they watched the commercial, the psychologists surveyed them to find out their views on the program. Unbeknownst to the participants, the psychologists actually showed them one of two versions of the same commercial. The two versions were identical except in one version, there is an image of a black family claiming benefits, and in the other version there is an image of a white family claiming benefits. The people who watched the version with the black family were MUCH less likely to support the program. So yes, the key to getting white people to oppose government assistance to the poor seems to be to subtly remind them that the assistance helps black people. (Republicans figured this out a long time ago.)

    Racial prejudice is a lot more entrenched in our society than merely being able to get through a conversation with a black person without blurting out "nigger."



    Obama's statement is mostly accurate, and even if it wasn't, racism against white people is nowhere close to on par with racism against black people...and trying to draw a false equivalence between the two is usually rooted in racial resentment.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Interesting you can't defend the original statements we are talking about, you have to use the term "nigga" as a straw man, next.
    Interesting your ridiculous comment gets destroyed and your only reply is "straw man".
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by kandahar View Post
    umm yes, generally that is the case. It's true that not all white people overtly use racial epithets or stereotypes; that's probably more related to obama's grandmother's generation, which grew up in an openly racist society.

    But often discrimination is more subtle. White people are more likely to be perceived as competent workers than minorities, even under exactly the same circumstances. Blacks are more likely to be arrested for possession of marijuana than whites, despite actually using marijuana less than whites.

    I remember reading a study a while back, where psychologists showed white participants a political commercial which urged them to oppose a certain government social program for the poor. After they watched the commercial, the psychologists surveyed them to find out their views on the program. Unbeknownst to the participants, the psychologists actually showed them one of two versions of the same commercial. The two versions were identical except in one version, there is an image of a black family claiming benefits, and in the other version there is an image of a white family claiming benefits. The people who watched the version with the black family were much less likely to support the program. So yes, the key to getting white people to oppose government assistance to the poor seems to be to subtly remind them that the assistance helps black people. (republicans figured this out a long time ago.)

    racial prejudice is a lot more entrenched in our society than merely being able to get through a conversation with a black person without blurting out "nigger."



    obama's statement is mostly accurate, and even if it wasn't, racism against white people is nowhere close to on par with racism against black people...and trying to draw a false equivalence between the two is usually rooted in racial resentment.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Umm yes, generally that is the case. It's true that not all white people overtly use racial epithets or stereotypes; that's probably more related to Obama's grandmother's generation, which grew up in an openly racist society.

    But often discrimination is more subtle. White people are more likely to be perceived as competent workers than minorities, even under exactly the same circumstances. Blacks are more likely to be arrested for possession of marijuana than whites, despite actually using marijuana LESS than whites.

    I remember reading a study a while back, where psychologists showed white participants a political commercial which urged them to oppose a certain government social program for the poor. After they watched the commercial, the psychologists surveyed them to find out their views on the program. Unbeknownst to the participants, the psychologists actually showed them one of two versions of the same commercial. The two versions were identical except in one version, there is an image of a black family claiming benefits, and in the other version there is an image of a white family claiming benefits. The people who watched the version with the black family were MUCH less likely to support the program. So yes, the key to getting white people to oppose government assistance to the poor seems to be to subtly remind them that the assistance helps black people. (Republicans figured this out a long time ago.)

    Racial prejudice is a lot more entrenched in our society than merely being able to get through a conversation with a black person without blurting out "nigger."



    Obama's statement is mostly accurate, and even if it wasn't, racism against white people is nowhere close to on par with racism against black people...and trying to draw a false equivalence between the two is usually rooted in racial resentment.
    And, we have our fellow members of our community to thank for that reaction.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, we have our fellow members of our community to thank for that reaction.
    Blaming the victim! Very classy brah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Blaming the victim! Very classy brah.
    Well, he is "the victim", no? Bully for him trying not to be.
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    Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Blaming the victim! Very classy brah.
    And there is the difference between liberals and conservatives, libs see different groups of people as victims, as oppressed or oppressor whereas conservatives just see people.

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