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Are all black men brainwashed? (Read Warning: post #540)

Are all black men brainwashed?

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Re: Are all black men brainwashed?

MaggieD said:
What does having the opinion that welfare programs that in the past have offered a handout instead of a hand up is just another form of marginalizing and figuratively enslaving black people have to do with hating them?
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Enslavement is "against someone's will" if they are making choices, then its not against their will. Its that simple why this type of language is hyperbolic.
 
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MaggieD said:
What does having the opinion that welfare programs that in the past have offered a handout instead of a hand up is just another form of marginalizing and figuratively enslaving black people have to do with hating them?
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I don't consider telling black people that they are lazy, brainwashed and uncaring for their communities a "hand up", but that's just me.

In any case, blacks aren't enslaved by the welfare system. Nobody is. There are people, black and white, who do choose to take advantage of the welfare system, but that you continue to choose to relegate this choice to the black population is another example of how your posts depict characteristics you perceive as negative only in blacks and not in whites.

It's also interesting that your posts depict, at every turn, blacks incapable of making choices. They state that blacks are brainwashed and that blacks are enslaved by welfare system rather than choosing to be on it for one reason or another. It's odd that your posts rarely, if ever, represent of black Americans in terms of free will, unless of course they're talking about how they don't care about the violence in their communities.
 
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meh, "choice" and "will" are not such bright lines. Talk to any recovering-addict group about the slavery of the substance in question, and you will see heads nodding.
 
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cpwill said:
meh, "choice" and "will" are not such bright lines. Talk to any recovering-addict group about the slavery of the substance in question, and you will see heads nodding.
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completely different circumstance
 
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Blackdog said:
That is kind or narrow minded. The truth is it is probably a little of both without being exactly either.
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I don't think so. The actual reality may be a mix of choice and influence, but the way certain people talk treats reality as black and white. If you believe that people are completely responsible for their position in life, then you can't also believe that they are being enslaved and brainwashed by another group.
 
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megaprogman said:
completely different circumstance
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not at all - that people become addicted to easy, free government handouts is precisely a portion of the conservative argument here.
 
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cpwill said:
not at all - that people become addicted to easy, free government handouts is precisely a portion of the conservative argument here.
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One is a chemical addiction that subverts the will of the individual

The other is a life choice
 
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cpwill said:
meh, "choice" and "will" are not such bright lines. Talk to any recovering-addict group about the slavery of the substance in question, and you will see heads nodding.
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I'm not commenting on reality. I'm commenting on certain conservatives' perversion of reality - that is, one the one hand saying that everything is all choice and on the other hand, saying that people are enslaved and brainwashed.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
I'm not commenting on reality. I'm commenting on certain conservatives' perversion of reality - that is, one the one hand saying that everything is all choice and on the other hand, saying that people are enslaved and brainwashed.
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that is because you are setting up a false choice, a false dichotomy. rarely does humanity give us binary questions.
 
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Blackdog said:
That is kind or narrow minded. The truth is it is probably a little of both without being exactly either.
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That was kind of his point - people resort to hyperbole when the truth is somewhere in the middle.
 
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Personally, my view is that people make the best choice they can, given the circumstance that is right in front of them at that moment.

So, if their choices are limited for some reason, its going to affect their choice, which means, as a society, we should do what we can to give people the best options possible in regards to things not under their control (which for poor people, very little is under their control as it is inherent in being poor), as that is the best good we can do for each other in this sense.

Alternatively, of those choices that they are available to make, they are responsible for making the best choice possible.

Its not a matter of addiction, but what is the optimum choice, given a person's preferences, priorities, and whatever other external factors (such as their health, the state of their family or social life, etc). You can't call that slavery, it just doesn't work. I know what you are trying to say maggie, but you need a better word for it.
 
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cpwill said:
you do realize that not all addictions involve something you ingest?


think about how many times you have heard conservative commentators call welfare, extended unemployment benefits, etc., a "drug".

you are free to disagree, if you like, but at least give us credence for believing what we claim to.
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I realize that not all addictions are a choice, but there is no circumstance that I can imagine where someone goes "I have to go get that welfare payment or else I will go through horrible levels of shame/dispair/depression, whatever"

Yeah, your example works in cases of things like sexual fetishes, ptsd, or whatever
 
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cpwill said:
that is because you are setting up a false choice, a false dichotomy. rarely does humanity give us binary questions.
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No, I'M not setting up a false choice. I am repeating the two positions that have been presented by certain conservatives and showing how they cannot possibly be compatible. The first position presented by those conservatives: Everything is a matter of choice and personal responsibility. The second: Blacks are enslaved and brainwashed by Democrats.

Those things cannot coexist which is my point.
 
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megaprogman said:
I realize that not all addictions are a choice,
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yup. but most are. you choose to ingest, you choose to partake.

but there is no circumstance that I can imagine where someone goes "I have to go get that welfare payment or else I will go through horrible levels of shame/dispair/depression, whatever"
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....never had to shake off an addiction, have you?
 
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cpwill said:
not at all - that people become addicted to easy, free government handouts is precisely a portion of the conservative argument here.
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So you're comparing welfare handouts to chemical addictions that have acute neurological effects on the brain?
 
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StillBallin75 said:
So you're comparing welfare handouts to chemical addictions that have acute neurological effects on the brain?
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Either or its so psychologically damaging that the person has to have it or they will have horrible negative psychological consequences :lol:

Maybe this is why so much money is laced with cocaine ...
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
No, I'M not setting up a false choice. I am repeating the two positions that have been presented by certain conservatives and showing how they cannot possibly be compatible. The first position presented by those conservatives: Everything is a matter of choice and personal responsibility. The second: Blacks are enslaved and brainwashed by Democrats.

Those things cannot coexist which is my point.
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that is incorrect, because you are setting up mutually exclusive absolutist versions of the items you are discussing.
 
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cpwill said:
not at all - that people become addicted to easy, free government handouts is precisely a portion of the conservative argument here.
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Addiction is a strong, inaccurate and hyperbolic word. There are people who abuse welfare systems just like there are people who abuse corporate subsidies. Addiction is not the word for that.

Also, nothing is "free".
 
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I was pondering Maggie's eye opening post as I made my artery clogging sausage and cheese omelet and alot of thoughts went through my mind. The cynical and reactive side of me says the Reps need to do something to get blacks on their side, a reparations bill should do it. The problem is that is not a real fix and I don't want to see any Republican act like Johnson. The real fix here is education. Blacks have a 70% dropout rate and this needs to be changed if we want the black vote to change. There is a thirst in the black community for education and this is obvious when you see lines around the block in DC to get kids into private schools that Dem's fought tooth and nail to do away with.

I listen to talk radio both right and left and I have noticed that black conservatives speak good English and seem educated, they talk about the jobs they have or business they own while their counterparts that call Ed and Thom speak Ebonicscs and whine about government programs being insufficient to live on. If people of any color are educated and become part of the working class and or entrepreneursrs they become more conservative. Higher education is run by the left and kids tend to be leftist but as they mature and succeed in life they tend to swing to the right. Many years ago a black man saved my life but unfortunately was killed before I had a chance to thank him. I was fortunate enough later on to be in a financial position to help his son go to college which was his dad's dream. The kid came out a lib but now is a successful business man and is very conservative so there ya go.

Republicans need to fight a battle to keep black kids in school and get them educated.It will take a generation or two for this to effect the way blacks vote but it is a real fix and not a Johnson approach not to mention it is just the right thing to do and good for the country economically speaking.
 
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cpwill said:
that is incorrect, because you are setting up mutually exclusive absolutist versions of the items you are discussing.
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No, I'm repeating what people have said, but you're determined to pretend that that never happened, so there's not much else to say to you.
 
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JasonI said:
I guess people don't realize there are more white people on welfare than black people...
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They vote more republican so therefore they are not enslaved ...
 
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JasonI said:
I guess people don't realize there are more white people on welfare than black people...
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while you are certainly correct with the fact that, in raw numbers, more welfare recipients are white, it is also true that as a percentage of a racial population, blacks are more likely to be welfare recipients (ditto, subject to arrest)
 
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JasonI said:
I guess people don't realize there are more white people on welfare than black people...
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That's no surprise. Blacks only make up only 12.3% of the population.
 
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