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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes. It should be overturned.


    The ban serves no useful purpose that is not already served by NICS/background checks and the Class III license requirement to own full auto weapons.
    You make a valid point. The reason for the ban, of course, is to stop or reduce manufacturing and to then control them at the production rather than just the ownership end.

    Those who have pre-ban weapons and ammo prefer the ban stay in effect to preserve the escalating value of their collectables.

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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    You mean the one that "great conservative" Reagan signed into law?
    Ronald Reagan was no more a "Great Conservative" than Josef Stalin was.

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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You make a valid point. The reason for the ban, of course, is to stop or reduce manufacturing and to then control them at the production rather than just the ownership end.

    Those who have pre-ban weapons and ammo prefer the ban stay in effect to preserve the escalating value of their collectables.
    Actually, that ban was done in one of the most under handed and questionably legal ways.
    The vote was at night, when most of the congress persons were at home, the vote wasn't even recorded and it was attached to a gun owners "bill of rights" as a poison pill amendment.

    Edit: Correction, it was done in the morning not at night.
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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I researched this a little and was surprised to learn it wasn't President Clinton's 1994 assault weapons ban (expired in '04) that banned automatic weapons. It was a law from 1986 that's still in effect. In short, you can own a so-called assault rifle like an AR-15 or an AK-47, but it has to be semi-automatic. You can still own an automatic one if you can find a grandfathered pre 1986 one, but it will be extremely expensive. In other words, if you're rich, there's no problem in owning a fully automatic assault rifle. If you're poor, you can either settle for semi-automatic or get a conversion kit to convert it to automatic (illegally in almost all cases) and risk getting in big trouble.

    I'm wondering if it would just make more sense to allow law-abiding citizens to own fully automatic rifles like the AR-15. Seems like the same people who own a semi auto one without committing murder will be just as responsible with a fully automatic one. Then again, I'm not a gun owner myself and have just started to research this. In any event, vote your opinion. Should the 2nd Amendment give you the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle? Are you for overturning the 1986 ban?

    Yes it should be overturned.Civilians should be able to own what ever firearms that military and law enforcement can get their hands on, it should be limited to whats made before 1986 and you shouldn't have to jump through hopes for what is a constitutional right that says shall not infringe at the end of it. Amazing how the hoplophobes written this into a bill titled the "firearms owners protection act".
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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    I don't know why anybody would want a full auto but if they do they should be able to have one. If you are worried somebody would use one for a Columbine type massacre you would be better off worrying about somebody sawing off a shotgun instead. A short barrel shotgun is a more efficient killer in tight quarters. 00 buck fires nine well dispersed 30 caliber slugs every time you pull the trigger. It is hard to miss a single target and in a crowd you will make several people fall with every shot. This full auto phobia is largely unfounded and more based on emotion than fact. It takes alot of practice to become proficient with a so called machine gun and the first time you use one in the high stress of a combat situation or I guess in a massacre event you end up shooting more sky than people.

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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    In other words, if you're rich, there's no problem in owning a fully automatic assault rifle. If you're poor, you can either settle for semi-automatic or get a conversion kit to convert it to automatic (illegally in almost all cases) and risk getting in big trouble.
    Frankly, if you're poor, you aren't likely to own a nice AR anyway.

    As for the question of the OP- it's a good question. Fully auto weapons aren't practical, but should they be banned? Probably not, if the 2nd amendment is to be literally applied.
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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't know why anybody would want a full auto but if they do they should be able to have one. If you are worried somebody would use one for a Columbine type massacre you would be better off worrying about somebody sawing off a shotgun instead. A short barrel shotgun is a more efficient killer in tight quarters. 00 buck fires nine well dispersed 30 caliber slugs every time you pull the trigger. It is hard to miss a single target and in a crowd you will make several people fall with every shot. This full auto phobia is largely unfounded and more based on emotion than fact. It takes alot of practice to become proficient with a so called machine gun and the first time you use one in the high stress of a combat situation or I guess in a massacre event you end up shooting more sky than people.
    Lol, spree shooters are some of the most professional shooters around it seems like.

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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Lol, spree shooters are some of the most professional shooters around it seems like.
    Personally I am always amazed at how few people spree shooters manage to kill. I feel confident that if I planned a shooting spree my body count would easily be 100 plus. Maybe that is because I am sane and would never do such a thing, these nuts that do these shootings are thankfully very inefficient.

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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Personally I am always amazed at how few people spree shooters manage to kill. I feel confident that if I planned a shooting spree my body count would easily be 100 plus. Maybe that is because I am sane and would never do such a thing, these nuts that do these shootings are thankfully very inefficient.
    The vast majority of these spree shooters are not the sort of people you see on a Saturday morning out dialing their rifle in to MOA tolerances or spending hours working on putting both rounds of a double-tap from their handgun on top of each other or doing stoppage/rloading drills whlle they're sitting on the couch watching tv at night. They're not the people you see at IDPA, IPSC, ICORE, or CMP matches. Many of them have nothing more than a rudimentary understanding of how the firearm in their hands works at all.

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    Re: Should we overturn the 1986 automatic weapons ban?

    I think it would be ok. Just make it like they do other NFA rifles (short-barrelled shotguns, and short-barrelled rifles) google it...you pay a $200 'tax' and do the paperwork, along with fingerprints. These go to the local Sheriff for approval, then to the BATFE. The background check process takes 3-4 months on average, you receive the paperwork with a "tax stamp" in the mail. Then you legally own that gun, which is illegal for anyone else to own. Just have to keep the paper (or a copy) with the gun, showing you're legit. You probably end up on some list somewhere, but Hell, aren't we all now practically?

    On another note here, other than what some people would call "wow factor", and Hollywood movie crap, full auto is over-rated. The first round or two may hit where you're aiming, the rest typically for most shooters just fly out wherever. Full auto was basically designed to lay a "base of fire" on the enemy, to suppress, and keep their heads down, while you send a group around to flank them or get a better angle.

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