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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You live in Oregon, but you expect me to list them for you? You're an NP, but can't look it up? As I said in my previous post, there are 4 within driving distance of me. Certainly, Texas isn't the only state with public hospitals.
    Then just post a link to the one's in Texas...

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Taxpayers and charities.
    I don't think she is arguing that hospitals like Shriners don't exist. She is arguing the way you appear to be stating how they work.

    The poor, uninsured, and unemployed are different from self employed and consultants making good money with no insurance.

    Such hospitals don't exist to service the uninsured. They are set up to help the extremely poor... a sliding fee scale doesn't amount to anything if you're a business owner with a net income of 80,000, no insurance, and in need of open heart surgery.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Individual ruling for scotus

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    individual mandate will die.

    the rest of it shall live.
    That would seem to be the likeliest outcome. I don't think that will even be a 5-4. although will not be surprised if it does go that way. I think most libs even know that the mandate is unconstitutional. I suppose many will and do argue about the mandates of other insurance such as auto insurance, but there too one does have a choice not to drive. the health care mandate has no choice whatsoever, so that part will go.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You're mistaken TD. Western Europeans and Canadians aren't dying to be Americans. Have you ever been to Europe? If anything, I have seen more Americans move out of America. I know a married couple who moved to Iceland because the living expenses were so much cheaper there and the wife gets to be a stay at home mom. I also know two people who moved to England for various reasons. Some posters here know similar people.

    They only people dying to come into this country are the people living in ****holes already, or live near the southern boarder and America is just close.

    And btw... nobody said anything about government mandated charity or charity otherwise.

    1. Private charity isn't going to fix the health care issue in this country and it hasn't.
    2. Stick to the ****ing topic.

    I have done a bit of immigration law and you are incorrect. and there are lots of the most productive people who want to move here too. Of course you lefties want to drive our most productive out of America with socialist level taxes

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have done a bit of immigration law and you are incorrect. and there are lots of the most productive people who want to move here too. Of course you lefties want to drive our most productive out of America with socialist level taxes
    Why do lefties want to do that? I liked the productive people I worked with and some were lefties. I also worked with people where your productivity wasn't the most important thing and they had their reason for putting their first thing first.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 04-02-12 at 10:19 AM. Reason: Clarify

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have done a bit of immigration law and you are incorrect. and there are lots of the most productive people who want to move here too. Of course you lefties want to drive our most productive out of America with socialist level taxes
    Your crutch in every debate seems to be that you know more than everybody else... end of discussion.

    So basically this exchange has turned into a simple I am right and you are wrong.

    Why do the majority of Europeans have little to no admiration for America? If what you're saying is true, then the discussion in Europe would be to move towards American policies, as opposed to criticizing everything American.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Why do the majority of Europeans have little to no admiration for America?

    because it is human nature to dislike a more powerful entity upon which you are dependent?

    critiquing the US is no-risk all-gain for europeans. They get to tell themselves they are "now" morally superior, while at the same time benefiting from American hegemony.
    Last edited by cpwill; 04-05-12 at 02:54 PM.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    because it is human nature to dislike a more powerful entity upon which you are dependent?

    critiquing the US is no-risk all-gain for europeans. They get to tell themselves they are "now" morally superior, while at the same time benefiting from American hegemony.
    Certainly not politically correct, but there is some truth to this.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    The mandate will be struck down. Then a newly re-elected Obama will use budget reconciliation to pass an automatic public option to replace the mandate. With that, anyone who doesn't opt out by buying private insurance will be automatically enrolled in the public option and pay taxes to support it. And the right will scream, demanding that that be overturned. However, it won't.

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