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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    You are a fool ... those are non profit hospitals that accept medicare and medicaid. Public refers to the fact they accept patients who have military, medicare or medicaid as a payer. They also accept private insurance. those who cannot pay the bill go to collections and many end up bankrupt and cost rise for everyone ... in the non profit "public" hospital.

    They are not funded to give "free" care to those who are simply uninsured by choice, lack of ability to pay or unable to secure health insurance.

    You do not understand your own wiki link.
    I''m sure you are familiar with sliding scale fees? No?
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You tell me. I am not in Oregon. I am in Texas, where we have 2 major public hospitals within 60 miles of where I live, and two small rural ones. Just because you don't have a public hospital, this somehow implies that I am clueless? Hah- that's a joke.
    Link ...? You do not understand they are public non profit ... meaning they accept public payers. Link me the hospitals that you claim allows uninsured (no public or private payer) working citizens without a public payer to simply come in for free care.

    Come on ... you claim to know health care and claim that uninsured simply go to the public hospitals in their area for free care.

    Link to this list please ...
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    from Wiki:
    In the United States, two thirds of all urban hospitals are non-profit. The remaining third is split between for-profit and public. The urban public hospitals are often associated with medical schools. [2] The largest public hospital system in America is the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation, which is associated with the New York University School of Medicine.
    In the U.S., public hospitals receive significant funding from local, state, and/or federal governments. In addition, they may charge Medicaid, Medicare, and private insurers for the care of patients. Poor uninsured patients receive their care for free. Public hospitals, especially in urban areas, have a high concentration of uncompensated care and graduate medical education as compared to all other American hospitals
    I thought so! At a charity hospital the people that can pay do. The people that can't are paid for by the people that do pay for their care. But, this is not what I want. Nor is it what the Tea Party wants.
    Thanks for following through with this with me.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I''m sure you are familiar with sliding scale fees? No?
    I understand sliding scale fees ...yet that is illegal in facilities that accept private or public funds. I work for a non profit regional center that about half our patients have public payers (military, medicare, medicaid). That allows to classified as a public non profit hospital.

    The uninsured are expected to pay right along with everyone else and they will go to court and have their wages garnished and assets taken if they do not. That is standard in the health Industrial Complex and not unique to not for profit facilities in the Northwest.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I thought so! At a charity hospital the people that can pay do. The people that can't are paid for by the people that do pay for their care. But, this is not what I want. Nor is it what the Tea Party wants.
    Thanks for following through with this with me.
    No worries ... that is not going to happen and the wiki link does not give clarity.

    Still waiting for a list of hospitals from lizzie for each state that give free care to those citizens who choose to be uninsured or cannot afford insurance yet have no public or private payer.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    No worries ... that is not going to happen and the wiki link does not give clarity.

    Still waiting for a list of hospitals from lizzie for each state that give free care to those citizens who choose to be uninsured or cannot afford insurance yet have no public or private payer.
    You live in Oregon, but you expect me to list them for you? You're an NP, but can't look it up? As I said in my previous post, there are 4 within driving distance of me. Certainly, Texas isn't the only state with public hospitals.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
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    Still waiting for a list of hospitals from lizzie for each state that give free care to those citizens who choose to be uninsured or cannot afford insurance yet have no public or private payer.
    I think you have your list. It's not very long is its problem.
    I want to know who is donating the money to these hospitals that funds the free care.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I understand sliding scale fees ...yet that is illegal in facilities that accept private or public funds. I work for a non profit regional center that about half our patients have public payers (military, medicare, medicaid). That allows to classified as a public non profit hospital.

    The uninsured are expected to pay right along with everyone else and they will go to court and have their wages garnished and assets taken if they do not. That is standard in the health Industrial Complex and not unique to not for profit facilities in the Northwest.
    I worked ina public hospital for 5 years, and for two not-for-profits. Sliding scale payments are common in this area. Perhaps your state needs to update it's regulatory system.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    The uninsured drive up costs ... for everyone. There are no readily available "free" hospitals for those who chose to be uninsured or work long hours for others or self employed and simply cannot afford insurance. Building such in each a region would be the most expensive inane thought.

    Health insurance for catastrophic bills should be mandatory so others do not pay and to keep the sky rocketing health care inflation down.

    Sadly ... there should be a mixed market with competition from public and private options for choices to purchase health insurance with a mandate for each citizen to have at least catastrophic coverage. The initial HCR had it right until Obama retreated.

    Still waiting for the "list" of free hospitals all around that lizzie thinks are out there people who choose to uninsured or cannot afford insurance.

    I certainly am not advocating such. Why not just have options for each citizen to have coverage and be certain we are all covered as to not raise the costs for everyone.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Links and list please? I can see you do not understand healthcare economics form either pov ...right or left or libertarian.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I worked ina public hospital for 5 years, and for two not-for-profits. Sliding scale payments are common in this area. Perhaps your state needs to update it's regulatory system.

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