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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is the reason we have public hospitals. They are funded with government funds at various levels, and they provide health care for those who don't have insurance or can't afford the bill.
    You really are clueless.

    There are for profit and non profit hospitals. The non profit and for profit hospitals expect patients to pay their bills and will take anyone to collections to do so.

    Medical issues are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the United States.

    If you start your own business ... or work for the many companies who do not provide insurance and you have an accident and a few days in ICI and and another week as inpatient will land you about a 100,000 bill. There is no "public" hospital to arrive without insurance for 'people who are not insured".

    The NP will will go after you until you pay your last penny and then the rest of your care will spread to others through astronomical cost.

    It is irresponsible to not have at least catastrophic insurance and even more irresponsible that out country has a system that make sit almost impossible for many to have insurance or for some ... to be negligent simply because of EMTALA and other laws in which catastrophic care is given and others simply pay for it.

    Ridiculous ... Do you realize how expensive "public" hospitals would be in very region that offered "free" care as you have imagined. Why not HCR ... simply organizing a system with a choice of private or public that citizens can afford. A public option payer would have offered competition to a monopoly market.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    You really are clueless.
    How so? What do you think the purpose of a public hospital is? I'll be interested in what you believe public care is, and where you think the funding comes from. I assure you that clueless is something I am not, when the subject is health care.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
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    2) Government mandated "charity" has suppressed private charity which often does a far better job in helping people in need rather than merely creating more dependent pawns of the politicians who hand out goodies to the supposed needy.
    This will work for me. Just make sure that the charity hospitals are completely independent from non-charity hospitals so funds are not mixed. The Tea Party family we were chatting with could have had the charity ambulance take him to a charity ER to treat his heart attack. This will work, right?
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    This will work for me. Just make sure that the charity hospitals are completely independent from non-charity hospitals so funds are not mixed. The Tea Party family we were chatting with could have had the charity ambulance take him to a charity ER to treat his heart attack. This will work, right?
    Yes, it will work. Charity hospitals are typically excellent at handling serious emergencies. In fact, it's what they usually excel at. If I were in a serious car accident, or shot by a criminal, I would prefer to be careflighted to our nearest public facility, where they deal with trauma on a regular basis.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    You really are clueless.
    Still waiting......
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    You really are clueless.

    There are for profit and non profit hospitals. The non profit and for profit hospitals expect patients to pay their bills and will take anyone to collections to do so.
    from Wiki:
    In the United States, two thirds of all urban hospitals are non-profit. The remaining third is split between for-profit and public. The urban public hospitals are often associated with medical schools. [2] The largest public hospital system in America is the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation, which is associated with the New York University School of Medicine.
    In the U.S., public hospitals receive significant funding from local, state, and/or federal governments. In addition, they may charge Medicaid, Medicare, and private insurers for the care of patients. Poor uninsured patients receive their care for free. Public hospitals, especially in urban areas, have a high concentration of uncompensated care and graduate medical education as compared to all other American hospitals
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    How so? What do you think the purpose of a public hospital is? I'll be interested in what you believe public care is, and where you think the funding comes from. I assure you that clueless is something I am not, when the subject is health care.
    Fill me in ... I am an NP in Oregon. Where is the public hospital in my state that people who employment does not provide insurance or those who are self employed and cannot afford health insurance go to?

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, it will work. Charity hospitals are typically excellent at handling serious emergencies. In fact, it's what they usually excel at. If I were in a serious car accident, or shot by a criminal, I would prefer to be careflighted to our nearest public facility, where they deal with trauma on a regular basis.
    Yup, too bad that the Tea Party dad ended up at a non-charity hospital (no others were available) and now owing over $60,000.And now the wife's wages are docked since she works at the hospital. Too bad she was the only one with insurance due to it costing too much to insure the rest of the family.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Fill me in ... I am an NP in Oregon. Where is the public hospital in my state that people who employment does not provide insurance or those who are self employed and cannot afford health insurance go to?
    You tell me. I am not in Oregon. I am in Texas, where we have 2 major public hospitals within 60 miles of where I live, and two small rural ones. Just because you don't have a public hospital, this somehow implies that I am clueless? Hah- that's a joke.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    from Wiki:
    In the United States, two thirds of all urban hospitals are non-profit. The remaining third is split between for-profit and public. The urban public hospitals are often associated with medical schools. [2] The largest public hospital system in America is the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation, which is associated with the New York University School of Medicine.
    In the U.S., public hospitals receive significant funding from local, state, and/or federal governments. In addition, they may charge Medicaid, Medicare, and private insurers for the care of patients. Poor uninsured patients receive their care for free. Public hospitals, especially in urban areas, have a high concentration of uncompensated care and graduate medical education as compared to all other American hospitals
    You are a fool ... those are non profit hospitals that accept medicare and medicaid. Public refers to the fact they accept patients who have military, medicare or medicaid as a payer. They also accept private insurance. those who cannot pay the bill go to collections and many end up bankrupt and cost rise for everyone ... in the non profit "public" hospital.

    They are not funded to give "free" care to those who are simply uninsured by choice, lack of ability to pay or unable to secure health insurance.

    You do not understand your own wiki link.
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