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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if you have the right to not have health insurance, then I have the right to not flip the bill for your medical care for your injury/illness when you can't pay the bill and apply for Medicaid...........and I have the right to not have my medical costs increased to cover for the unpaid costs of folks who don't have insurance.
    Actually, the local hospital here is trying to move towards outright refusing to treat the uninsured or people in debt with the hospital. It's tragic to think that that's the direction we could be heading towards as a country... people dying because hospitals refuse care. It's stuff like that that causes other countries to have no admiration for us.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Actually, the local hospital here is trying to move towards outright refusing to treat the uninsured or people in debt with the hospital. It's tragic to think that that's the direction we could be heading towards as a country... people dying because hospitals refuse care. It's stuff like that that causes other countries to have no admiration for us.

    1) I really couldn't care less what other countries supposedly think. I hear the anti gun nuts say this sort of crap all the time. Yet those same countries tend to have thousands of their citizens TRYING TO MOVE HERE rather than the other way around

    2) Government mandated "charity" has suppressed private charity which often does a far better job in helping people in need rather than merely creating more dependent pawns of the politicians who hand out goodies to the supposed needy.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Considering Citizens v. United and that anti American ruing ... I have little faith in our judicial branch.

    I suspect those same anti American justices will strike it down as most likely they would oppose all citizens have the opportunity/ability to buy affordable healthcare coverage and be responsible for themselves should a catastrophic healthcare crisis strike.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Actually, the local hospital here is trying to move towards outright refusing to treat the uninsured or people in debt with the hospital. It's tragic to think that that's the direction we could be heading towards as a country... people dying because hospitals refuse care. It's stuff like that that causes other countries to have no admiration for us.
    That is the reason we have public hospitals. They are funded with government funds at various levels, and they provide health care for those who don't have insurance or can't afford the bill.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    2) Government mandated "charity" has suppressed private charity which often does a far better job in helping people in need rather than merely creating more dependent pawns of the politicians who hand out goodies to the supposed needy.
    A perfect example is the Shriner's Children's Hopsital in Dallas. They don't take insurance in any form. They take charitable donations, and they own a highly desired piece of property which generates income. They provide top-rate service and care for children who have deformities and chronic illnesses.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) I really couldn't care less what other countries supposedly think. I hear the anti gun nuts say this sort of crap all the time. Yet those same countries tend to have thousands of their citizens TRYING TO MOVE HERE rather than the other way around

    2) Government mandated "charity" has suppressed private charity which often does a far better job in helping people in need rather than merely creating more dependent pawns of the politicians who hand out goodies to the supposed needy.
    You're mistaken TD. Western Europeans and Canadians aren't dying to be Americans. Have you ever been to Europe? If anything, I have seen more Americans move out of America. I know a married couple who moved to Iceland because the living expenses were so much cheaper there and the wife gets to be a stay at home mom. I also know two people who moved to England for various reasons. Some posters here know similar people.

    They only people dying to come into this country are the people living in ****holes already, or live near the southern boarder and America is just close.

    And btw... nobody said anything about government mandated charity or charity otherwise.

    1. Private charity isn't going to fix the health care issue in this country and it hasn't.
    2. Stick to the ****ing topic.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is the reason we have public hospitals. They are funded with government funds at various levels, and they provide health care for those who don't have insurance or can't afford the bill.
    I checked and the hospital is privately owned, but that still isn't an excuse to refuse treating people. It just shows how terrible our health care system is failing, and how the current system is costing us more and more. This isn't a solution, it should be a national embarrassment and a concern. Local people will die. There isn't another hospital for miles. The nearest public hospital is over two hours away.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    A perfect example is the Shriner's Children's Hopsital in Dallas. They don't take insurance in any form. They take charitable donations, and they own a highly desired piece of property which generates income. They provide top-rate service and care for children who have deformities and chronic illnesses.
    Now if we could just get all hospitals to work that way, the world would be beautiful and nobody would need health insurance. Problem solved, right?

    Why can't all hospitals work that way? That's not a rhetorical question either... I'd like to hear you and TD explain why it's so unreasonable and irrational to think or expect private charity to pay for all of our healthcare expenses? I feel that it is not going to happen. Do you think it's possible for private charity to take over the healthcare industry and take care of the uninsured?

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I checked and the hospital is privately owned, but that still isn't an excuse to refuse treating people. It just shows how terrible our health care system is failing, and how the current system is costing us more and more. This isn't a solution, it should be a national embarrassment and a concern. Local people will die. There isn't another hospital for miles. The nearest public hospital is over two hours away.
    Okay. Look at it this way. If all hospitals are public hospitals, quality of care will decline. There is no doubt about that. I have worked in both public, private, and not-for-profit hospitals. If you need care, and you can't afford it, the public hospital is available for treatment. You may not get the best treatment available, but your immediate needs will be met. As a pediatrician whom I worked with pointed out to me, some 27 years ago, when I worked on the pediatric unit of a public hospital: the wealthy pay with their money, and the poor pay with their time. You aren't going to get fast and easy health care in a public system. That's just the reality of the situation, and it's the same as we see with European nations who have 100% public care. It's inefficient, the waiting periods are long, and you pretty much have to take what you can get. At least it's care, and at least you can receive it regardless of your ability to pay.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Now if we could just get all hospitals to work that way, the world would be beautiful and nobody would need health insurance. Problem solved, right?

    Why can't all hospitals work that way? That's not a rhetorical question either... I'd like to hear you and TD explain why it's so unreasonable and irrational to think or expect private charity to pay for all of our healthcare expenses? I feel that it is not going to happen. Do you think it's possible for private charity to take over the healthcare industry and take care of the uninsured?
    To the bolded: government regulations. An institution which doesn't rely on outside payor sources can provide care in a more efficient manner, and they aren't bogged down in bureaucratic crap. They provide a service that is focused on the patient, and meeting the patient's needs. I have worked as an RN for 28 years now. The more regulations we have to comply with, the more hours are spent on non-patient care related bull****.
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