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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's the whole reason that the individual mandate was put into the bill, genius. To PREVENT exactly that situation.
    Why was it taken out?

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To deal with illegal alliens will require something different. But to say we can't take of one problem because it doesn't solve another doesn't really work for either.
    It is only one of the reasons I do not support the HC law. Do we need reform, yes. This just isn't it.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am confused what this means for Medicaid too. If they rule the private sector shouldn't be involved in the people having to purchase anything by federal law, then wouldn't that automatically mean that the government itself has to run these types of programs like Social Security and Medicaid are currently?

    Conservative judges ruling that it's ok for the federal government to force people to by services from the federal government, and rule in favor of that over the private sector, doesn't seem logical or on par with their values to me...

    I am just saying, it seems like attacking Medicaid and Social Security, and the government involvement in forcing people to pay into federal run, government programs would be the next logical step.


    I personally don't like the idea of the federal government trying to run a health care system and actually taking over hospitals and the payroll for every doctor, nurse, and healthcare janitor in the country, but the federal government does play a role in health care and they should. The federal government should have a say, and the private sector should have a role in providing such care.
    I agree that in the long term, if the Supreme Court strikes down the individual mandate it will necessitate much more heavy-handed government interference, like Medicare-for-all. But in the short term, things will basically go back to the way that they were, where health insurers are free to rip people off, kick sick people off their rolls, and deny coverage to people with preexisting conditions...which is exactly what the Republicans want. You're right that it isn't very conservative of them to say that an individual mandate is unconstitutional, but single-payer health care is A-OK (and in fact they weren't making that argument until after the law passed).

    I think the conservative challengers to this law are calculating that invalidating this law will cause everything to revert to the status quo, and there will never be enough political support to pass something more heavy-handed like single-payer health care (or if there is, a partisan Supreme Court will find some other bull**** reason to strike it down). Maybe they're right, but I think that's a pretty risky gamble they're taking, if their goal is to minimize the involvement of government in health care. It's hard to predict how the political dynamics will shift if the Supreme Court strikes it down and we revert to the status quo...after a few more years of this terrible health care system, it isn't inconceivable that even some moderate Republicans will be on board with single-payer (or at least a public option).
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Why was it taken out?
    The individual mandate wasn't taken out; it was part of the Affordable Care Act. Although it now seems likely (but not certain) that the Supreme Court will strike it down.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    BTW... I think the argument of "I should have the right to not have health insurance" is a ignorant argument. Who would refuse to buy health insurance? So many people have no health insurance and want it, and need it. I have heard people argue that they don't want or need it, because they are healthy and do nothing that could harm them. lol. Unless a person eats healthier than 90% of the population and lives in an area with no threat of natural disasters, traffic accidents, or germs then chances are that that person is going to be sick and need to visit a doctor. Pig flu, how many people saw that coming?

    And such people don't go to the doctors office when they get sick. They go to the ER, and when they don't pay their bill and default on the debt then the prices of healthcare go up for the rest of us.

    Outright refusing to participate in health insurance is not a long term plan for everybody in this country. Everybody should be covered and should have the ability to buy coverage.

    How do we fix this problem should be discussed and debated, and the Supreme Court should make suggestions if they disagree with Obama. Somebody and some branch of our government should be able to function like adults, find a solution, a constitutional one, and think about what's best for the country for once.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The individual mandate wasn't taken out; it was part of the Affordable Care Act. Although it now seems likely (but not certain) that the Supreme Court will strike it down.
    I meant the public option... what happened to it?

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    BTW... I think the argument of "I should have the right to not have health insurance" is a ignorant argument.....
    if you have the right to not have health insurance, then I have the right to not flip the bill for your medical care for your injury/illness when you can't pay the bill and apply for Medicaid...........and I have the right to not have my medical costs increased to cover for the unpaid costs of folks who don't have insurance.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I meant the public option... what happened to it?
    it died because the Democrats are a much more ideologically diverse group than the Republicans are.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree that in the long term, if the Supreme Court strikes down the individual mandate it will necessitate much more heavy-handed government interference, like Medicare-for-all. But in the short term, things will basically go back to the way that they were, where health insurers are free to rip people off, kick sick people off their rolls, and deny coverage to people with preexisting conditions...which is exactly what the Republicans want. You're right that it isn't very conservative of them to say that an individual mandate is unconstitutional, but single-payer health care is A-OK (and in fact they weren't making that argument until after the law passed). I think they are calculating that invalidating this law will cause everything to revert to the status quo, and there will never be enough political support to pass something more heavy-handed like single-payer health care.
    I know what you are saying and suggesting. It's really frustrating to see this. I don't think Obamacare is perfect, neither is Medicaid, but I'd hate to see the Supreme Court make it near impossible for any president to try to offer a solution to our healthcare issues. On the other hand, these justices won't live forever.... so it would be kind of funny and ironic if they pave the way for Medcaid-for-all one day. Hopefully they'll live to see it.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I meant the public option... what happened to it?
    There weren't enough votes for it to pass the Senate, so they took it out.
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