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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Mandate Dies, rest of the law stays in the ruling, but dies over time.
    Unless they find another way to pay for it. I'd like to see the public option return. Wonder if we could discuss that without the death panel lie?

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So let me understand, Under the Hussein Obama plan you can't be turned down for and existing condition. So don't get any insurance and if you get a bad illness get the insurance then???????

    It reminds me of Pelosi saying to her caucas vote for the bill now and read it letter.
    The point is that you can't be turned down because of a preexisting condition. So there is no don't get insurance part of your story. Without Obamacare you can be turned down for many reasons.


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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The point is that you can't be turned down because of a preexisting condition. So there is no don't get insurance part of your story. Without Obamacare you can be turned down for many reasons.
    It also was an attempt to get everyone to pay for health care. In a round about way the 12+million illegal aliens will still recieve health care without insurance. The difference is no federal dollars will be used to assist the States. States and the hospitials will be stuck with the bill.

    I hope the SC strikes the law down.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    It also was an attempt to get everyone to pay for health care. In a round about way the 12+million illegal aliens will still recieve health care without insurance. The difference is no federal dollars will be used to assist the States. States and the hospitials will be stuck with the bill.

    I hope the SC strikes the law down.
    They are now. Right now.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So let me understand, Under the Hussein Obama plan you can't be turned down for and existing condition. So don't get any insurance and if you get a bad illness get the insurance then???????
    That's the whole reason that the individual mandate was put into the bill, genius. To PREVENT exactly that situation.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Not what you interpret the legality/Constitutionality to be.
    Not how you think they should rule.
    Not how you want them to rule.

    How do you think they actually WILL rule?
    I think that, ultimately, it will be upheld.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are now. Right now.
    I realize that. So does many Americans receive care (emergency care) without insurance. The difference if the Health Care law stands, Americans will have to participate or face a fine. Illegal aliens will not. Yet, the States get stuck with the bill for the illegal aliens At least before States could get some federal dollars.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I realize that. So does many Americans receive care (emergency care) without insurance. The difference if the Health Care law stands, Americans will have to participate or face a fine. Illegal aliens will not. Yet, the States get stuck with the bill for the illegal aliens At least before States could get some federal dollars.
    To deal with illegal alliens will require something different. But to say we can't take of one problem because it doesn't solve another doesn't really work for either.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'd like to believe that it will survive, but it seems unlikely. However, the probability of the individual mandate being struck down is hovering around 60-65% on InTrade, so I am hopeful that I might be wrong.

    Ultimately, I don't think that the most telling sign was the barrage of hostile questions that Kennedy/Roberts directed toward the solicitor-general; that's par for the course in a Supreme Court argument and doesn't necessarily have any bearing on their ultimate ruling. I don't even think the most telling sign was the hemming and hawing that Roberts and Kennedy were doing (who knows if it was just to appear like they were carefully weighing the options before striking it down, or if they legitimately had doubts). I think the most telling sign was the fact that the Court appeared to be giving serious consideration to striking down the entire law, and that they even agreed to hear the truly absurd legal argument against the Medicaid provisions. I don't think that they'll actually strike down the entire law or the Medicaid provisions (God help us if they do), but by seriously entertaining these arguments, the conservative justices opened the Overton Window a bit wider. I think this makes it more likely that they'll strike down the individual mandate.
    I am confused what this means for Medicaid too. If they rule the private sector shouldn't be involved in the people having to purchase anything by federal law, then wouldn't that automatically mean that the government itself has to run these types of programs like Social Security and Medicaid are currently?

    Conservative judges ruling that it's ok for the federal government to force people to by services from the federal government, and rule in favor of that over the private sector, doesn't seem logical or on par with their values to me...

    I am just saying, it seems like attacking Medicaid and Social Security, and the government involvement in forcing people to pay into federal run, government programs would be the next logical step.


    I personally don't like the idea of the federal government trying to run a health care system and actually taking over hospitals and the payroll for every doctor, nurse, and healthcare janitor in the country, but the federal government does play a role in health care and they should. The federal government should have a say, and the private sector should have a role in providing such care.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    So? Other courts with liberal justices have declared unconstitutional, otherwise, why the hell do you think it's worked its way up to the supreme court? I think the score was 2-2, overall, in the lower courts.

    and liberals haven't done that? really? Remember FDR when he tried to pack the supreme court?

    regardless, the point is moot because these justices were confirmed by a senate that was elected by a majority of voters. If you have a conservative president, obviously he's going to appoint conservative justices. That's just a given, it has nothing to do with partisanship, but the philosophy that they ascribe to. If you don't like that then....

    Oh yea, that's write, liberals don't think that conservatism is a viable political philosophy. I forgot.
    Statistically the Supreme Court is more conservative than the general population. The court should be moderate. Nobody far right or left should be appointed.

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