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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    I want to believe that it is about the "law" and that it will be upheld, but based on prior behavior, I believe the SCOTUS will vote their party affiliation and it will be ruled unconstitutional.
    why can't it be about the law when it's overturned? So far, the only people bringing up partisanship is the liberals...for the bill...Only conservatives seem to have arguments ABOUT THE LAW ITSELF, regardless of what party the president is.

    I don't see why you would discredit the supreme court, if it's against you. from the point of view of a justice, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. So the question I'm wondering is, in that circumstance, why do you think a justice would care about politics?
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    why can't it be about the law when it's overturned?
    The very fact that Thomas, whose wife has been campaigning against it, did not recuse himself is one good reason. Two lower "conservative" judges have already ruled it Constitutional.
    I don't see why you would discredit the supreme court, if it's against you. from the point of view of a justice, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. So the question I'm wondering is, in that circumstance, why do you think a justice would care about politics?
    It was in the past that justice didn't care about politics, but we've seen a concerted effort on the part of Republicans (since the election of George W. Bush) to make all Supreme Justices Republican. It is obvious that they want to pass legislation that goes against what the majority of Americans want, and the only way they could get them enacted is by going to a right-leaning Supreme Court and having them rule in their favor.



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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    The very fact that Thomas, whose wife has been campaigning against it, did not recuse himself is one good reason. Two lower "conservative" judges have already ruled it Constitutional.
    So? Other courts with liberal justices have declared unconstitutional, otherwise, why the hell do you think it's worked its way up to the supreme court? I think the score was 2-2, overall, in the lower courts.
    It was in the past that justice didn't care about politics, but we've seen a concerted effort on the part of Republicans (since the election of George W. Bush) to make all Supreme Justices Republican. It is obvious that they want to pass legislation that goes against what the majority of Americans want, and the only way they could get them enacted is by going to a right-leaning Supreme Court and having them rule in their favor.
    and liberals haven't done that? really? Remember FDR when he tried to pack the supreme court?

    regardless, the point is moot because these justices were confirmed by a senate that was elected by a majority of voters. If you have a conservative president, obviously he's going to appoint conservative justices. That's just a given, it has nothing to do with partisanship, but the philosophy that they ascribe to. If you don't like that then....

    Oh yea, that's write, liberals don't think that conservatism is a viable political philosophy. I forgot.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    So? Other courts with liberal justices have declared unconstitutional, otherwise, why the hell do you think it's worked its way up to the supreme court? I think the score was 2-2, overall, in the lower courts.
    That is a lie. The two other judges who ruled it unconstitutional were conservative judges. Vinson from Florida and Hudson from Virginia are both conservative judges.

    and liberals haven't done that? really? Remember FDR when he tried to pack the supreme court?
    I don't remember any case where the Supreme Court was so negatively deemed as the 2000 ruling over the election.

    regardless, the point is moot because these justices were confirmed by a senate that was elected by a majority of voters. If you have a conservative president, obviously he's going to appoint conservative justices. That's just a given, it has nothing to do with partisanship, but the philosophy that they ascribe to. If you don't like that then....
    That may be true, but when they start interpreting the law based on their party's opinion, the whole country suffers.

    Oh yea, that's write, liberals don't think that conservatism is a viable political philosophy. I forgot.
    Conservatism is fine, extreme radical conservatism (which is what the Republican party has become) is a detriment to Democracy.



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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    That may be true, but when they start interpreting the law based on their party's opinion, the whole country suffers.
    So would you say this when the Court agrees with liberal decisions or of the court is packed with liberal judges?
    Conservatism is fine, extreme radical conservatism (which is what the Republican party has become) is a detriment to Democracy.
    With Mitt Romney being the forerunner right now in the primary I don't think it's fair to say that about the Republicans.
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    That is a lie. The two other judges who ruled it unconstitutional were conservative judges. Vinson from Florida and Hudson from Virginia are both conservative judges.
    Wrong, I said WITH liberal justices. That wasn't a lie, you just jumped to conclusions One justice alone can't rule in an appeals court.
    I don't remember any case where the Supreme Court was so negatively deemed as the 2000 ruling over the election.
    Well, they had to decide something. They did, with their view of the constitution, and because you think your grasp of jurisprudence is better than theirs, you demonize them. I disagree with Roe V. Wade, but I don't discredit their decisions as "partisan". They just have a wrong view.
    That may be true, but when they start interpreting the law based on their party's opinion, the whole country suffers.
    who says they do though? this is simply your judgement because you don't like the way they rule. If they uphold this law, I will call you out if you somehow try to say "they put up partisan politics".
    Conservatism is fine, extreme radical conservatism (which is what the Republican party has become) is a detriment to Democracy.
    It's radical to oppose obamacare, gotcha.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
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    With Mitt Romney being the forerunner right now in the primary I don't think it's fair to say that (extreme radical conservatism) about the Republicans.
    Yup, the real conservatives like Romney the best.

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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    a government mandate compelling citizens to purchase goods or services from privately owned vendors deserves to be found unConstitutional
    it's terrible precedent
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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    I admit that I didn't hear the entire audio of all of the hearing, but from what I heard, I can't imagine them upholding the individual mandate.


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    Re: How will SCOTUS rule on the Individual Mandate?

    So let me understand, Under the Hussein Obama plan you can't be turned down for and existing condition. So don't get any insurance and if you get a bad illness get the insurance then???????

    It reminds me of Pelosi saying to her caucas vote for the bill now and read it letter.
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