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Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

Do you agree with Florida Law on use of deadly force?

  • Agree

    Votes: 41 70.7%
  • Disagree

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • I oppose the Second Amendment completely

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • There should be no rule of law

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Total voters
    58
As an adult I've had guns and more often knives pulled on me. Yet there is only one time as an adult I pulled a gun on anyone, closest I came to killing someone, and that person was unarmed.

There are only a few things of topics I feel strongly about that may come on the forum. 1.) sexual assault, assaults against children and - circumstantially - non-sexual violence against women; 2.) pro-choice and 3.) gay rights, although not militantly.

I arrived at the scene of an extremely violent sexual assault of a young woman I knew extremely well, the assault fortunately stopped by three others - two men and a woman - only seconds before. Walking into that scene and realizing the who and what of it, I threw the assailant against the hard wall so hard he probably dazed unconscious momentarily and in the same motion drew my 45 chambering and cocking it to against his head. But the woman cried out louding in terrible pain, shifting my focus to her from my own rage and I felt that loudness of the gunshot would add more shock and stress in what was to become her battling for her life in the hospital, the injuries that great.

The first two arriving local officers who also knew her, beat him unconscious - chalking it up to "resisting arrest" in their report. No one cared.

This isn't NYC where than SOB as a first time offender probably would get 6 years and then be released in 14 months on shock probation after some sex offenders counseling program. He got the max on 3 sentences - aggravated sexual assault, attempted murder and burglary of a residence - each to run consecutively - which is Florida adds up to forever - and the judge and prosecutor both adding letters to the file for any future probation board that due to the nature of the crime he should never be granted probation. After sentencing back in his cell, in front of many officers, he was told that should he ever somehow get released decades from now and return here, they WILL kill him.

Although the majority of adults are now senior Yankee transplates, the generational old good ole boys and gals still have their ways they always have had. There are certain crimes, most notable extreme child injury, for which it is well understood that IF the cops get to that person first - but then later if that person ever came back here he would be killed and fed to the wild hogs as a missing person. Its always been that way for certain extreme crimes against children and women - generation to generation. And to be honest, I'm perfectly fine with that, but - circumstantially - I've always believed in jungle law in extreme instances anyway.

Were I on a jury and a person killed someone he saw someone released from prison who had AGGRAVATEDLY (not statutory/date) raped his wife, daughter, mother, or the same of a best friend or close relative, there's not a chance in hell I'd vote to convict. I'd call it "temporary insanity" and maybe when done and out of the courtroom thank that person for removing that person from our community.

The repeat rate for sex offenders is very high and even higher if against children.
 
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As an adult I've had guns and more often knives pulled on me. Yet there is only one time as an adult I pulled a gun on anyone, closest I came to killing someone, and that person was unarmed.

There are only a few things of topics I feel strongly about that may come on the forum. 1.) sexual assault, assaults against children and - circumstantially - non-sexual violence against women; 2.) pro-choice and 3.) gay rights, although not militantly.

I arrived at the scene of an extremely violent sexual assault of a young woman I knew extremely well, the assault fortunately stopped by three others - two men and a woman - only seconds before. Walking into that scene and realizing the who and what of it, I threw the assailant against the hard wall so hard he probably dazed unconscious momentarily and in the same motion drew my 45 chambering and cocking it to against his head. But the woman cried out louding in terrible pain, shifting my focus to her from my own rage and I felt that loudness of the gunshot would add more shock and stress in what was to become her battling for her life in the hospital, the injuries that great.

The first two arriving local officers who also knew her, beat him unconscious - chalking it up to "resisting arrest" in their report. No one cared.

This isn't NYC where than SOB as a first time offender probably would get 6 years and then be released in 14 months on shock probation after some sex offenders counseling program. He got the max on 3 sentences - aggravated sexual assault, attempted murder and burglary of a residence - each to run consecutively - which is Florida adds up to forever - and the judge and prosecutor both adding letters to the file for any future probation board that due to the nature of the crime he should never be granted probation. After sentencing back in his cell, in front of many officers, he was told that should he ever somehow get released decades from now and return here, they WILL kill him.

Although the majority of adults are now senior Yankee transplates, the generational old good ole boys and gals still have their ways they always have had. There are certain crimes, most notable extreme child injury, for which it is well understood that IF the cops get to that person first - but then later if that person ever came back here he would be killed and fed to the wild hogs as a missing person. Its always been that way for certain extreme crimes against children and women - generation to generation. And to be honest, I'm perfectly fine with that, but - circumstantially - I've always believed in jungle law in extreme instances anyway.

Were I on a jury and a person killed someone he saw someone released from prison who had AGGRAVATEDLY (not statutory/date) raped his wife, daughter, mother, or the same of a best friend or close relative, there's not a chance in hell I'd vote to convict. I'd call it "temporary insanity" and maybe when done and out of the courtroom thank that person for removing that person from our community.

The repeat rate for sex offenders is very high and even higher if against children.

People like you need to read philosophy and need to start understanding things like psychology. I'll be honest, this post made me cringe in fear for my life...
 
People like you need to read philosophy and need to start understanding things like psychology. I'll be honest, this post made me cringe in fear for my life...

Why? Are you a child molester or rapist? If not you would have nothing to worry about. Being an X LEO myself I have first hand experience with officers who did things like what he mentioned. I must admit I never took part, but even I overlooked a thing or two when it involved a sexual predator. I do not condone his actions, but I will say...

You may want to read a book on psychology yourself. One of the first things they teach you in Psyc 101 is that character flaw's have no cure. Guess which one rapists and child predators belong to? Philosophy will do nothing. A bunch of mental masturbation is all it amounts to.
 
Why? Are you a child molester or rapist? If not you would have nothing to worry about. Being an X LEO myself I have first hand experience with officers who did things like what he mentioned. I must admit I never took part, but even I overlooked a thing or two when it involved a sexual predator. I do not condone his actions, but I will say...

You may want to read a book on psychology yourself. One of the first things they teach you in Psyc 101 is that character flaw's have no cure. Guess which one rapists and child predators belong to? Philosophy will do nothing. A bunch of mental masturbation is all it amounts to.

lol, so you can "will" yourself, as a child, to not become a child molester. With NO outside influences.
 
Unless they are felony convictions or any conviction for a crime of domestic battery it does not matter. Being arrested and charged has no affect on your ability to purchase a weapon legally, convictions are all that matter.

While I agree with this...I am not a fan of someone who has been charged with assault on an officer being allowed to have a concealed license. The guy clearly does not have a good history of decision making.

I mean would you in your right mind assault an officer of the law? Or would you simply allow your lawyer to do that for you?
 
While I agree with this...I am not a fan of someone who has been charged with assault on an officer being allowed to have a concealed license. The guy clearly does not have a good history of decision making.

I mean would you in your right mind assault an officer of the law? Or would you simply allow your lawyer to do that for you?

I can address this directly because it happened to me. I was arrested for aggravated assault of a police officer. The fact of the matter was I was assaulted by the officer (for being the only black guy there no less) and was charged to cover his ass. It was pleaded down to misdemeanor assault, and I was given non reporting supervision for a year. If I could have afforded a real lawyer it would never have gotten that far. You see the judge, SA and officers all new it was a lie, but did not want me to sue the city and department. So you don't know the circumstance of the arrest or charges. This is why it must be a conviction.
 
Well, this is my opinion, I don't think stealing a purse from someone is a just reason to shoot them. Run them down and kick their ass, yeah probably...

I always liked the thought of a woman carrying a purse with the ring of a Mark IV fragmentation grenade in her finger so when some asswipe grabs the purse the spoon throws and a few seconds later the purse snatcher is spread all over the pavement.
 
lol, so you can "will" yourself, as a child, to not become a child molester. With NO outside influences.

Irrelevant to my point and nothing but a strawman. Now if you want to address the actual points I made, I would be more than happy to reply.
 
I can address this directly because it happened to me. I was arrested for aggravated assault of a police officer. The fact of the matter was I was assaulted by the officer (for being the only black guy there no less) and was charged to cover his ass. It was pleaded down to misdemeanor assault, and I was given non reporting supervision for a year. If I could have afforded a real lawyer it would never have gotten that far. You see the judge, SA and officers all new it was a lie, but did not want me to sue the city and department. So you don't know the circumstance of the arrest or charges. This is why it must be a conviction.

good point and this happens more than you would expect (maybe you would). Seen it more than a few times. So when I was dealing with witnesses and a black fellow told me his only rap was assault on a cop I didn't immediately see him as a mope or a scumbag because often I figured what really happened
 
I always liked the thought of a woman carrying a purse with the ring of a Mark IV fragmentation grenade in her finger so when some asswipe grabs the purse the spoon throws and a few seconds later the purse snatcher is spread all over the pavement.

I'm glad you don't dictate our laws I guess. You really think someone who steals deserves the death penalty? So you ignore IQ tests, personality tests, statistics, data, and anything that proves that people are a product of society. How, again, are you a lawyer? And I'ma start telling Lawyers, "Hey, my name is Jryan online, if you recognize this, goodbye."
 
Irrelevant to my point and nothing but a strawman. Now if you want to address the actual points I made, I would be more than happy to reply.

Ah, I was strawmaned so I thought I could strawman :\.
 
I'm glad you don't dictate our laws I guess. You really think someone who steals deserves the death penalty? So you ignore IQ tests, personality tests, statistics, data, and anything that proves that people are a product of society. How, again, are you a lawyer? And I'ma start telling Lawyers, "Hey, my name is Jryan online, if you recognize this, goodbye."

frankly society would be better off if we wasted most violent criminals but I have seen enough people wrongly convicted to oppose the death penalty. But if someone tries to harm me or mine I will do everything in my power to kill them as fast as possible. Which is why I spend at least a couple hours a week training for that remote possibility. and pursesnatching is a violent crime and yeah if some tough knocks an old lady down and runs off with her purse and she puts a 9mm in the back of his head good riddance
 
good point and this happens more than you would expect (maybe you would). Seen it more than a few times. So when I was dealing with witnesses and a black fellow told me his only rap was assault on a cop I didn't immediately see him as a mope or a scumbag because often I figured what really happened

It happens to often. It is called "creative report writing" and it is used to keep the law suits down, revenge and a whole host of other things. Unfortunatly not much you can do about it. To many good officers around to hold a grudge against them all for a few dishonest officers.
 
I always liked the thought of a woman carrying a purse with the ring of a Mark IV fragmentation grenade in her finger so when some asswipe grabs the purse the spoon throws and a few seconds later the purse snatcher is spread all over the pavement.

spread all over the pavement, along with anyone else who happens to be nearby.
 
I'm glad you don't dictate our laws I guess. You really think someone who steals deserves the death penalty? So you ignore IQ tests, personality tests, statistics, data, and anything that proves that people are a product of society. How, again, are you a lawyer? And I'ma start telling Lawyers, "Hey, my name is Jryan online, if you recognize this, goodbye."



Death penalty as in formal capital punishment? No.


Shot dead in the act? Oh heck yes. Lots and lots more of this preferably. The more of this there is, the less crime there will be, period. The surest cure to crime is kill them in the act.
 
frankly society would be better off if we wasted most violent criminals but I have seen enough people wrongly convicted to oppose the death penalty. But if someone tries to harm me or mine I will do everything in my power to kill them as fast as possible. Which is why I spend at least a couple hours a week training for that remote possibility. and pursesnatching is a violent crime and yeah if some tough knocks an old lady down and runs off with her purse and she puts a 9mm in the back of his head good riddance

And thanks to people like you, I agree with everything you said here. I just don't think that anyone who is emotionally involved in a case can be a jury membor, as you would like (presuming).

So you think all criminals should be shot then if the victim dictates it justifiable?

Wow... You really need to take a look at psychology and how the brain works. There is a science to this turtledude, which you are ignoring...

Just say "no" to science though I guess:

American Sociological Association: Study: Conservatives
 
Death penalty as in formal capital punishment? No.


Shot dead in the act? Oh heck yes. Lots and lots more of this preferably. The more of this there is, the less crime there will be, period. The surest cure to crime is kill them in the act.

So then you believe in pnishment (and I mean the fullest extent of the word)

FYI, bout to sleep so I'll have to get back to you Goshin, Turtledude and those who respond tomorrow.

Get rid of freewill and get rid of the notion of punishment. (I will reiterate that you can still remove them from society because we can't have crystal meth tweakers running around)
 
People like you need to read philosophy and need to start understanding things like psychology. I'll be honest, this post made me cringe in fear for my life...

People like you need to get a grip on reality. You can use psychology or philosophy to excuse scum all you want, but scum is scum, until he stops being scum. There's a beautiful world out there, and there's some truly sick individuals whom the world would be better off without. I hope I never have to make the choice to kill someone who is threatening me or someone I love, or an innocent bystander, but you can bet the last dollar you have, that I will do just that, if the circumstances warrant it.
 
People like you need to get a grip on reality. You can use psychology or philosophy to excuse scum all you want, but scum is scum, until he stops being scum. There's a beautiful world out there, and there's some truly sick individuals whom the world would be better off without. I hope I never have to make the choice to kill someone who is threatening me or someone I love, or an innocent bystander, but you can bet the last dollar you have, that I will do just that, if the circumstances warrant it.

lol, just lol. You have no objective goal to understand how the human mind works. So why should I even try?

I guess I will though because I do care about humanity and you are part of this society.

Okay, so if you read this book, and accpeted its ideas, which you wont because you think you are better than this book, you would understand that we don't have freewill. We are merely a product of our society. If we are a product of our society, yes we should be detained but we shouldn't be punished, murdered, etc etc.

BTW, I do belive you have started copy pasting thins to me. (You've made this EXACT same post to me, link if needed)
 
spread all over the pavement, along with anyone else who happens to be nearby.

true-the one drawback to the scheme. maybe a command detonation-when the snatcher is not within 10 meters of anyone else hit the det switch
 
And thanks to people like you, I agree with everything you said here. I just don't think that anyone who is emotionally involved in a case can be a jury membor, as you would like (presuming).

So you think all criminals should be shot then if the victim dictates it justifiable?

Wow... You really need to take a look at psychology and how the brain works. There is a science to this turtledude, which you are ignoring...

Just say "no" to science though I guess:

American Sociological Association: Study: Conservatives

the science I know is almost 30 years as an attorney with more than a passing familiarity with criminal prosecutions. Some people are pure evil. The more of them that get shot the better. and as I noted with a mad dog the issue isnt punishment but prevention. Most mad dogs aren't that way due to their own fault. But they still need to be put down if they attack people. If every rape victim stabbed shot or clubbed her assailant, if every shopkeeper who is the victim of an attempted robbery shotgunner the robber, guess what, the cost of incarceration would be much lower and society much safer.

I am a huge believer of fight crime-shoot back
 
lol, just lol. You have no objective goal to understand how the human mind works. So why should I even try?

I guess I will though because I do care about humanity and you are part of this society.

Okay, so if you read this book, and accpeted its ideas, which you wont because you think you are better than this book, you would understand that we don't have freewill. We are merely a product of our society. If we are a product of our society, yes we should be detained but we shouldn't be punished, murdered, etc etc.

BTW, I do belive you have started copy pasting thins to me. (You've made this EXACT same post to me, link if needed)



An old notion, popular back before you were born, that we are merely "products of society" with little/no freewill. Was used to excuse and coddle criminals and misbehaving children and turned into a disaster. Discredited when I was still young.

See what you miss when you have no life experience? Stuff you think is new and radical is actually old hat and long proven to be disasterous.
 
lol, just lol. You have no objective goal to understand how the human mind works. So why should I even try?

Oh, don't be mistaken, I understand very well how the human mind works. That still doesn't excuse violence against another person, unprovoked.
 
So then you believe in pnishment (and I mean the fullest extent of the word)

FYI, bout to sleep so I'll have to get back to you Goshin, Turtledude and those who respond tomorrow.

Get rid of freewill and get rid of the notion of punishment. (I will reiterate that you can still remove them from society because we can't have crystal meth tweakers running around)


I leave punishment to God.

Dead crooks commit no new crimes, is my mantra on shooting them in the act.
 
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