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Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

Do you agree with Florida Law on use of deadly force?

  • Agree

    Votes: 41 70.7%
  • Disagree

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • I oppose the Second Amendment completely

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • There should be no rule of law

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Total voters
    58
As a Resident of the State of Florida for my ENTIRE life, a Gun Owner, A Concealed Weapon Permit Owner, and as a Citizen of the United States I 100% agree with the Florida law. The entire trayvon thing going on...was CLEARLY a violation of Florida law. There is a duty to retreat when that is an option, and standing your ground is only allowed when you cannot retreat (as in into your vehicle, your home). What happened to Trayvon was a disgrace because the man pursued Trayvon. Not to mention Zimmerman should not be allowed to have a gun because of his criminal record.

Anyway. The Florida law is GREAT.

Maybe i'm just ignorant, but from what I've read the Florida Stand Your Ground law does not explicitly elucidate a duty to retreat. Correct me if I'm wrong.

In addition, the Florida law does not only apply to situations within your own home, but in open and public spaces as well.
 
As a Resident of the State of Florida for my ENTIRE life, a Gun Owner, A Concealed Weapon Permit Owner, and as a Citizen of the United States I 100% agree with the Florida law.

I also live in Florida. I am a certified in the state of Florida as a Security officer and I have my CCW.

The Castle law removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked or someone enters your home, car and place of work or business criminally. Like breaking in through a window. The Stand Your Ground law covers everything else.The stand your ground law just like the castle law does not specify any need to retreat at all from a place you can legally be, period.

You can see the actual laws here:

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

The entire trayvon thing going on...was CLEARLY a violation of Florida law. There is a duty to retreat when that is an option, and standing your ground is only allowed when you cannot retreat (as in into your vehicle, your home). What happened to Trayvon was a disgrace because the man pursued Trayvon. Not to mention Zimmerman should not be allowed to have a gun because of his criminal record.

Anyway. The Florida law is GREAT.

If Zimmerman was indeed attacked while returning to his car, he is not guilty at all. He had just as much right to be there as Treyvon, and if Treyvon attacked him was under no obligation to retreat under the law. It is still not illegal to follow someone on the sidewalk as far as the law goes. So even if Zimmer was following Treyvon, he should not have been attacked.

As for his criminal record. Only 3 things can stop you from owning a gun in Florida. Being forcibly committed into a mental institution. Being convicted of a felony or crime of domestic violence even if a misdemeanor.

PS Zimmer does not appear to have anything on his record that would disqualify him from owning a firearm.
 
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:doh

Rape is a violent crime.

In most jurisdictions you can shoot (as a cop, or as a private citizen) in order to prevent a violent felony from occurring in your presense.

You really ought to study up on this stuff before taking an entrenched position.

Yeah, but a cop isn't just going to see someone being raped and then whip out their pistol and start shooting before saying a word to the offender...
 
(in non-violent acts, which rape is NOT violent unless the rapist takes it to another level).

This is why your opinion on self-defense matters is entirely irrelevant.
 
It's too bad Zimmerman didn't use his pistol on these guys instead:

Two arrested in brutal hammer beating in Seminole


A tip to Crimeline has led to the arrests of two men in a brutal beating that occurred a week ago in the Midway community east of Sanford.

Julius Ricardo Bender, 18, and Yahaziel Isaac Israel, 19, face charges of attempted first-degree murder, burglary with assault or battery and armed burglary.
The victim, a 50-year-old Winter Springs man whose name has not been released, is on life-support at Orlando Regional Medical Center.
 
now in either case it might not be the "dog's" fault but it still needs killing.

This. So much this. I don't care about punishment and I don't understand why you do-- the only things I'm interested in are making the victim right, to the extent that it is legally possible, and preventing similar offenses from being committed in the future by the perpetrator or by other potential perpetrators.
 
It's too bad Zimmerman didn't use his pistol on these guys instead:

Whether he was right or wrong in this case-- and I'm leaning wrong-- I'm certain that if he had been present at that case he would have saved that man's life. I've seen no evidence to suggest that Mr. Zimmerman is a bad man.
 
It's also a good argument for the proliferation of the Second Amendment. If everyone is packing a gun and committing a felony against another is grounds to get shot, people would obey the law much more and more easily.

As far as I'm concerned, killing someone who is robbing or attacking you is cleaning the gene pool with a great success rate.
That is our evolutionary duty. Without it, we will have survival of the unfittest and the species will evolve backwards.
 
This is why your opinion on self-defense matters is entirely irrelevant.

Rape becomes a violent crime when someone says, "Hey! Stop raping that woman" and the person continues what he is doing. This is exactly the reason we have cops so we don't get people running around like a militia. Cops are trained in how to handle situations, the average person with a gun is not. I'm merely arguing that this law allows someone to just shoot a rapist before giving warning.

Also, I like how you say what you did. It's almost like you could care less about someone else s political ideology. If they don't submit to yours then they believe in the wrong thing.
 
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Yeah, but a cop isn't just going to see someone being raped and then whip out their pistol and start shooting before saying a word to the offender...



Joseph, Mary and Bocephus, son.... you stun me with your capacity for pontificating on what you know not.

How do you know an armed citizen would not first call out a warning to cease and desist? They might well do so.

How do you know a cop would not shoot first, in some situations? I can think of some where I would have.

It's not all cut and dried, black and white. There is more under heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.

Calling rape not-violent is an insult to those who have suffered it btw, and they will not thank you for it.
 
Joseph, Mary and Bocephus, son.... you stun me with your capacity for pontificating on what you know not.

How do you know an armed citizen would not first call out a warning to cease and desist? They might well do so.

How do you know a cop would not shoot first, in some situations? I can think of some where I would have.

It's not all cut and dried, black and white. There is more under heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.

Calling rape not-violent is an insult to those who have suffered it btw, and they will not thank you for it.

Maybe I have been viewing it wrong Goshin. :bow: Sorry for taking your time.
 
Maybe i'm just ignorant, but from what I've read the Florida Stand Your Ground law does not explicitly elucidate a duty to retreat. Correct me if I'm wrong..

If you are a concealed weapon holder you have a duty to retreat. Essentially that does NOT mean that you cannot use the weapon, or that you must ALWAYS run away. It means that you should be using your concealed weapon to retreat (get to a location of safety). In the instance of Stand Your Ground...I take that as meaning you have no option BUT to defend yourself, OR in some situations while you may have an ability to get away...the prudent course of action would be to stand your ground. It says it pretty clearly in the documentation that you receive with your concealed license.

In addition, the Florida law does not only apply to situations within your own home, but in open and public spaces as well

Castle Doctrine is what dictates deadly force in the home. Public spaces it does not apply. Stand your ground does, as does concealed carry legislation. In the instance of Zimmerman...he pursued Trayvon. That is pretty evident. That alone says he should not have been there. Pursuing a criminal by a concealed carry holder should only happen if it is an active shooter or a situation where the person is CLEARLY harming another person.
 
Rape becomes a violent crime when someone says, "Hey! Stop raping that woman" and the person continues what he is doing. This is exactly the reason we have cops so we don't get people running around like a militia. Cops are trained in how to handle situations, the average person with a gun is not. I'm merely arguing that this law allows someone to just shoot a rapist before giving warning.

Also, I like how you say what you did. It's almost like you could care less about someone else s political ideology. If they don't submit to yours then they believe in the wrong thing.


OMG, Jryan.

So while someone is on top of you, jamming his thing into your orfice against your will, holding you down and forcibly violating you, that ISN'T a violent crime until someone yells "stop?"

I cannot speak, if I do I will flame.

You need to listen more and talk less.

You should also start running NOW before the rape victims on DP catch up with you.
 
The only "rape" arguable not a violent crime is statutory rape (one of them technically too young). All other sexual assault in a violent crime, no exceptions.
 
I went to a Tea Party once and there were a couple hundred people there with I'd say 20% armed. No one got shot and we had a nice peaceful afternoon. That's all I know. Now if someone would have thought of grabbing some lady's purse and running away with it, I couldn't guarantee anything.
 
OMG, Jryan.

So while someone is on top of you, jamming his thing into your orfice against your will, holding you down and forcibly violating you, that ISN'T a violent crime until someone yells "stop?"

I cannot speak, if I do I will flame.

You need to listen more and talk less.

You should also start running NOW before the rape victims on DP catch up with you.

You probably hadn't read this post yet:
Maybe I have been viewing it wrong Goshin. :bow: Sorry for taking your time.
 
I also live in Florida. I am a certified in the state of Florida as a Security officer and I have my CCW.

The Castle law removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked or someone enters your home, car and place of work or business criminally. Like breaking in through a window. The Stand Your Ground law covers everything else.The stand your ground law just like the castle law does not specify any need to retreat at all from a place you can legally be, period.

You can see the actual laws here:

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine



If Zimmerman was indeed attacked while returning to his car, he is not guilty at all. He had just as much right to be there as Treyvon, and if Treyvon attacked him was under no obligation to retreat under the law. It is still not illegal to follow someone on the sidewalk as far as the law goes. So even if Zimmer was following Treyvon, he should not have been attacked.

As for his criminal record. Only 3 things can stop you from owning a gun in Florida. Being forcibly committed into a mental institution. Being convicted of a felony or crime of domestic violence even if a misdemeanor.

PS Zimmer does not appear to have anything on his record that would disqualify him from owning a firearm.

Sorry I don't have time to fully respond...but Zimmerman had plea bargained charges on his records (things that should have been felonies but were reduced).
 
Yeah, but a cop isn't just going to see someone being raped and then whip out their pistol and start shooting before saying a word to the offender...

Circumstantially some would if a violent struggle in which unquestionably is rape. And legally so. An officer would justified to use deadly force if necessary to stop the assault lasting one more second than the officer could prevent.
 
I went to a Tea Party once and there were a couple hundred people there with I'd say 20% armed. No one got shot and we had a nice peaceful afternoon. That's all I know. Now if someone would have thought of grabbing some lady's purse and running away with it, I couldn't guarantee anything.

I was going to respond to this, then I realized, all the gun toaters on this thread think it is okay for a person to use lethal force on a criminal but would probably start a lynch mob if they found out a cop had used lethal force on their son who was shop lifting a candy bar.
 
OMG, Jryan.

So while someone is on top of you, jamming his thing into your orfice against your will, holding you down and forcibly violating you, that ISN'T a violent crime until someone yells "stop?"

I cannot speak, if I do I will flame.

You need to listen more and talk less.

You should also start running NOW before the rape victims on DP catch up with you.


I know how you feel. Something inside just makes a person wish he could pull out a baton as a dildo, duct tape his mouth so he can't yell "stop" and see if it possible to change his thinking.
 
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I know how you feel. Something inside just makes a person wish he could pull out a baton as a dildo and see if it possible to change his mind about that.

Maybe I have been viewing it wrong Goshin. :bow: Sorry for taking your time.

(That's what I responded)

But I will extend my apologies to those who were debating it against me.

(Lol, I don't go to the basement but I think I found the 8 words or less to offend dpers)
 
I was going to respond to this, then I realized, all the gun toaters on this thread think it is okay for a person to use lethal force on a criminal but would probably start a lynch mob if they found out a cop had used lethal force on their son who was shop lifting a candy bar.


A kid shoplifting a candy bar is one thing.


A thug stealing a woman's purse is another.

We had one of those at the mall nearby a few years back.... the woman was elderly, the purse strap was around her neck, and the perp severely injured her yanking until the purse came loose.

Mischevious children need a talking to and an ass-whuppin'. That purse-snatcher needed to be shot.

By the time you're 15 or 16, you by-golly ought to know that stealing is no joke and that Bad Things may happen to you if you do it.

Burglary, armed robbery, grand larceny, strong arm robbery and auto theft are not fun childhood games, they are felonies, and the risk of someone (perhaps someone innocent) getting hurt or killed is high. I have little sympathy for a thief that gets shot dead in the act.

Stealing a Snickers bar when you're 10 isn't comparable.
 
A kid shoplifting a candy bar is one thing.


A thug stealing a woman's purse is another.

We had one of those at the mall nearby a few years back.... the woman was elderly, the purse strap was around her neck, and the perp severely injured her yanking until the purse came loose.

Mischevious children need a talking to and an ass-whuppin'. That purse-snatcher needed to be shot.

By the time you're 15 or 16, you by-golly ought to know that stealing is no joke and that Bad Things may happen to you if you do it.

Burglary, armed robbery, grand larceny, strong arm robbery and auto theft are not fun childhood games, they are felonies, and the risk of someone (perhaps someone innocent) getting hurt or killed is high. I have little sympathy for a thief that gets shot dead in the act.

Stealing a Snickers bar when you're 10 isn't comparable.

Well, this is my opinion, I don't think stealing a purse from someone is a just reason to shoot them. Run them down and kick their ass, yeah probably...
 
Also, I like how you say what you did. It's almost like you could care less about someone else s political ideology. If they don't submit to yours then they believe in the wrong thing.

I'm only interested in the political ideologies of people who have at least the slightest semblance of knowing what they're talking about. Saying that rape is not a violent crime is not an ideological issue, it is an issue of pig****ing stupidity that invalidates any point that it is associated with.
 
Sorry I don't have time to fully respond...but Zimmerman had plea bargained charges on his records (things that should have been felonies but were reduced).

Unless they are felony convictions or any conviction for a crime of domestic battery it does not matter. Being arrested and charged has no affect on your ability to purchase a weapon legally, convictions are all that matter.
 
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