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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    But the person was merely a victim of a mental disorder...
    I am sure if your family members had been gunned down by charles whitman junior you'd feel the same way.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am sure if your family members had been gunned down by charles whitman junior you'd feel the same way.
    Right, and I'm sure you agree that family members should be on the jury...

    Being emotionally involved is the reason we don't allow this to happen in the US.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Right, and I'm sure you agree that family members should be on the jury...

    Being emotionally involved is the reason we don't allow this to happen in the US.
    making excuses for criminals is why we have so many

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    making excuses for criminals is why we have so many
    lol, so you think that punishing criminals helps our society (and when I use the word punishment, remember what I am referring to)?

    An excuse would say, "Well he doesn't have free will so he can go free". I'm saying he doesn't have free will so he should be detained but not harmed....
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    lol, so you think that punishing criminals helps our society (and when I use the word punishment, remember what I am referring to)?

    An excuse would say, "Well he doesn't have free will so he can go free". I'm saying he doesn't have free will so he should be detained but not harmed....
    what's this free will crap-something you got in your latest philosophy 101 lecture today?

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what's this free will crap-something you got in your latest philosophy 101 lecture today?
    The "freewill (sic) crap" is something that has been pointed out to me as wrong. Unlike you, I can change what I believe in, as philosophy goes, and I read philosophical books on a regular basis. This is how I have arrived to the conclusion that freewill does not exist and it does matter whether you believe in it or not because I wouldn't be able to use the arguments I did had it not mattered.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    The law dictates that you can use deadly force if you merely see someone being raped. Again, when has it become custom to shoot a rapist? If these are easy questions their must be easy answers that aren't strawmans.
    Rapists are shootable and have been shootable for as long as I've been paying attention to such things. (and that's a long fricken' time... try 30 something years...)

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Rapists are shootable and have been shootable for as long as I've been paying attention to such things. (and that's a long fricken' time... try 30 something years...)
    As a police officer, yes if the officer feels endangered (IE Sees a gun or sees him reaching for a weapon). A police officer would arrest if he just saw rape. I honestly don't think you are okay with civilians making law enforcement decisions Goshin. I think civilians should be able to detain (in non-violent acts, which rape is NOT violent unless the rapist takes it to another level).
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    The "freewill (sic) crap" is something that has been pointed out to me as wrong. Unlike you, I can change what I believe in, as philosophy goes, and I read philosophical books on a regular basis. This is how I have arrived to the conclusion that freewill does not exist and it does matter whether you believe in it or not because I wouldn't be able to use the arguments I did had it not mattered.
    I don't buy into that garbage. and you can pretty much pretend that there should be no criminal punishment if you believe that crap. but I will put it to you this way

    If I am sitting in my yard say playing frisbee with my son and some dog comes running up and bite my son

    here is what is going to happen

    1) I am going to kill the dog as fast as possible

    2) then I will find out where the dog came from

    a) if someone sent the dog to attack, then I kill him or cause him to be arrested depending what else goes on

    b) if the guy had tortured the dog and made it vicious then I will sue him after he goes to trial for cruelty to animals.

    now in either case it might not be the "dog's" fault but it still needs killing.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I was able to find some sheriff in Iowa against SYG. There were some police officers concerned about the Indiana SYG may be interpreted to allow citizens to use it against police officers. There were some district attorneys in Philadelphia against SYG but i cannot find anything near what your implying that there is significant opposition. I didn't look up "law enforcement organizations" since that is too vague a term.
    I didn't mean to imply that there's a majority percentage in opposition to these laws. But there is some, and I think they have well-founded concerns about the effect on potential hostile situations. I honestly don't see the need for extra wiggle room in the use of deadly force. The right of self defense is applicable in any situation, be it in your home, on the street or in a mall. If you are confronted with serious harm, you have a right to stop the threat and restore your safety. SYGLs, as I've said, simply gives people too much leeway in their use of deadly force.
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