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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Kill rapists.

    Only to stop them. its idiotic to make rape a capital offense if captured because that means killing their victim is a freebie and there is no incentive for a rapist not to kill his victim if he knows he will be caught or figures there is a chance he will be

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yeah that's why I competed internationally in one shooting sport (world championships, championships of the Americas, America Cup) and professionally in another (Pins, USPSA). closest thing you can get to the pressure of a street fight with a gun or a knife (been in a couple of those too so I know)
    Unfortunately most people who carry only use their guns at a shooting range, not in a RL situation (That is a good thing though I suppose).
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Unfortunately most people who carry only use their guns at a shooting range, not in a RL situation (That is a good thing though I suppose).
    sort of hard to practice real life shooting unless you are a

    1) contract killer

    2) go out hunting criminals

    3) join the SEALS or the Rangers or work as a mercenary in some African Hell hole

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Not everyone agrees with NYC doctrine that criminals are just misunderstood nor does the government want to spend money on crime - rather than themselves, while innocent citizens are insignificant sheep never to defend themselves in total dependency and submission to government.

    What I think many on this forum can't grasp, is not only are the people, but even the majority in communities, that only only believe in the right to STG and use deadly force against violent threats, burglars, robbers, assailants. They go beyond that to WANTING them shot and killed. This removes that person from the community with certainty. If someone is in the act of or attempting a violent assault, burglary, robbery, rape... they want the person shot and killed, not just a right to do so.

    "Community standards" are not the same across the country or in all communities.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sort of hard to practice real life shooting unless you are a

    1) contract killer

    2) go out hunting criminals

    3) join the SEALS or the Rangers or work as a mercenary in some African Hell hole
    It involves very repetitious real-life-like circumstantial training using real people in unpredictable situations to condition the person to instinctively act - rather than make decisions. This is intense, complex and protracted training that only some people are suitable for.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Not everyone agrees with NYC doctrine that criminals are just misunderstood nor does the government want to spend money on crime - rather than themselves, while innocent citizens are insignificant sheep never to defend themselves in total dependency and submission to government.

    What I think many on this forum can't grasp, is not only are the people, but even the majority in communities, that only only believe in the right to STG and use deadly force against violent threats, burglars, robbers, assailants. They go beyond that to WANTING them shot and killed. This removes that person from the community with certainty. If someone is in the act of or attempting a violent assault, burglary, robbery, rape... they want the person shot and killed, not just a right to do so.

    "Community standards" are not the same across the country or in all communities.
    But, and this is reasonable doubt whether you buy into it or not, I can argue that the robber/assailant/criminal doesn't have freewill and he is controlled by his sub-concious. So how is he responsible for his actions? (Remember I'm not saying he should be freed. Obviously we can't allow murderers/rapist/etc etc to run rampant, nor can we not use any means, short of torture, to stop a criminal from murder)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It involves very repetitious real-life-like circumstantial training using real people in unpredictable situations to condition the person to instinctively act - rather than make decisions. This is intense, complex and protracted training that only some people are suitable for.
    Right, their subconscious mind has to be programmed to make the correct response. If you have to think fight/flight in the moment you are not prepared.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    But, and this is reasonable doubt whether you buy into it or not, I can argue that the robber/assailant/criminal doesn't have freewill and he is controlled by his sub-concious. So how is he responsible for his actions? (Remember I'm not saying he should be freed. Obviously we can't allow murderers/rapist/etc etc to run rampant, nor can we not use any means, short of torture, to stop a criminal from murder)
    in some rare cases, some criminals should be broken on the wheel or subjected to "the pear". for example, no punishment could be too cruel for those two asswipes who raped and murdered that woman in CT and her daughters and then burned alive the two girls. The father should have been given a crowbar-a blow torch and 4 hours of time for which he would get a full governor's pardon for whatever he did

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Only to stop them. its idiotic to make rape a capital offense if captured because that means killing their victim is a freebie and there is no incentive for a rapist not to kill his victim if he knows he will be caught or figures there is a chance he will be
    I don't think any rapist calculated lesser punishment. Criminals don't think they will get caught. The deterrent is it prevents that person from ever assaulting anyone again.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in some rare cases, some criminals should be broken on the wheel or subjected to "the pear". for example, no punishment could be too cruel for those two asswipes who raped and murdered that woman in CT and her daughters and then burned alive the two girls. The father should have been given a crowbar-a blow torch and 4 hours of time for which he would get a full governor's pardon for whatever he did
    Sounds just and fair to me. Or he could hire someone to do it if he doesn't have the capacity. However, I think a bullet in the head is enough.

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