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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    The law dictates that you can use deadly force if you merely see someone being raped. Again, when has it become custom to shoot a rapist? If these are easy questions their must be easy answers that aren't strawmans.
    you make a good point-castrating rapists is a preferred response but you'd better be an expert shot as I am before attempting that with a handgun

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Not relevant-most cops are lousy shots anyway. I trust my kid to shoot someone holding a knife to my throat (Think Mel Gibson and his tomahawk whacking the guy about to cut Heath Ledger's throat) than most big city cops
    This is what the law says though:

    Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.

    It doesn't seem to be circumstantial to me. That is why I clicked no because it needs to be like, he has a knife to her throat or something. It can't just be the guy has her pinned to the ground because he is bigger...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I was able to find some sheriff in Iowa against SYG. There were some police officers concerned about the Indiana SYG may be interpreted to allow citizens to use it against police officers. There were some district attorneys in Philadelphia against SYG but i cannot find anything near what your implying that there is significant opposition. I didn't look up "law enforcement organizations" since that is too vague a term.
    There are police officials who want citizens defenseless - including the police.
    The right to use force and deadly force against the police is very complex. The Waco Branch Dravidians proved it is not simplistic a question. If police are attempting to kill you or your loved ones - even if in official capacity and in good faith too - you still have a right to use deadly force to defend yourself and your loved ones.

    What it seems so difficult for some people to grasp is that when there is a shooting death that doesn't many anyone committed a crime even if both were shooting and regardless of who wins.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you make a good point-castrating rapists is a preferred response but you'd better be an expert shot as I am before attempting that with a handgun
    That is why cops have handcuffs along with their gun . (Jail ftw)

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    Yay, I won an argument with Turtle, Score:

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    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    This is what the law says though:

    Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.

    It doesn't seem to be circumstantial to me. That is why I clicked no because it needs to be like, he has a knife to her throat or something. It can't just be the guy has her pinned to the ground because he is bigger...

    He might have aids or herpes or warts. all would justify killing him before he can penetrate his victim

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Not relevant-most cops are lousy shots anyway. I trust my kid to shoot someone holding a knife to my throat (Think Mel Gibson and his tomahawk whacking the guy about to cut Heath Ledger's throat) than most big city cops
    Most people are rotten shots with a handgun and then even worse under stress. Even many if not most police officers. Shooting at a range versus a stress situation, possibly life and death.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He might have aids or herpes or warts. all would justify killing him before he can penetrate his victim
    But he is in the process of raping the victim, not stripping her clothes off and saying, "Come here baby..."

    BTW, the thought of what someone "could" do doesn't hold up in court, does it Turtle?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He might have aids or herpes or warts. all would justify killing him before he can penetrate his victim
    Kill rapists.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Kill rapists.
    I don't believe in punishment seeing as how no one has freewill... (Argument for another time on another forum)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Most people are rotten shots with a handgun and then even worse under stress. Even many if not most police officers. Shooting at a range versus a stress situation, possibly life and death.

    Yeah that's why I competed internationally in one shooting sport (world championships, championships of the Americas, America Cup) and professionally in another (Pins, USPSA). closest thing you can get to the pressure of a street fight with a gun or a knife (been in a couple of those too so I know)

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